St. Dogwells 1841 look up - No Surname - long shot I know!

[Jenilou]

Is anyone able to look up the 1841 census for 'St. Dogwells', near Wolfscastle, Pembrokeshire?    My great, great, great, grandmother PHEBE was born there somewhere around 1828 (ish).  All I know of her is that she married someone with the surname 'Morris', and appears as a widow farmer Phebe Morris (at Furston Farm, Monkton, Pembroke) on the 1861 census (given age as 31), and on the 1871 census (given age as 43), then she disappears. 

Her dead husband may have been a William Morris (born Haroldston West 1793) or possibly one of his younger brothers, but I don't know this for certain.  If I could find a maiden name for her, it would help me greatly.

So basically, I am looking for a female called Phebe (that is the spelling given on both of the later census returns, aged around 13 years living in St Dogwells, at the time of the 1841 census.  It's a long shot I know, but if anyone could help in any way, I would be extremely grateful.

Many thanks
Jennie

[Meliora]

Hello, Jennie,   

What about this>>

HO107/1446  book 4  folio 34  page 2
Penalltesgob  St Dogmells, Cardigan, Pembrokeshire

Sarah Thomas    age 45  Ind.  born in county Y
Phoebe Thomas  age 14        Y
Elizabeth  Thomas  age 10   Y
William Thomas  age 5    Y

There was also this on the same page

Phoebe Samuel  age 15  F S     Y
Daniel Samuel  age  20  M S   Y
also  Penalltesgob.

Meliora

[Elleray Girl]

Hi Jennie,

HO107/1444/7 St Dogmells

Peter Wade, 45, Farmer
Elizabeth, 40
Hendry, 17
Thomas, 15
Letice, 13
Phebe, 10
Jane 5

The name of the farm looks like Pensarth, but is quite hard to read. This is the only Phebe in Dogmells af a near age - don't forget they 'rounded' ages in 1841.

Karen 

[Elleray Girl]

HO107/1444/7 St Dogmells

OOPS! that should read

HO107/1444/7 St Dogwells

[Jenilou]

Wow, I'm amazed!  Thank you both so much for replying so quickly.

Meliora, many thanks for that. It could well be her. The age is more what I was expecting, but the 'Cardigan' reference bothers me a bit, as there is a St. Dogmael's (sometimes spelt St. Dogmell's) which is a lot further up, almost out of Pembrokeshire near Cardigan town, and the two often get muddled up.

The place I'm after is definitely St. Dogwell's, a lot further south, nearest town Wolfscastle about halfway between Haverfordwest and Fishguard.

Elleray Queen - thank you so much.  This could indeed be her. Right spelling and the place name is right, although 10 is a little younger that I was expecting.  It would mean she had her first child at around 16/17 ish? 

I really appreciate all your help, and I will post back and let you know which one is her.

Thanks again
Jennie
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[osprey]

is this the family in 1851?
Williamston H0107/2478 folio 423 pg 3
David Morris head widower 85 famer of 100 acres employing 2 labourers b. Carew
William son 57 farmer's son employed on farm b. Carew
Pheby dau-in-law 29 farmer's son's wife b. St Dogwells
Mary A g dau 6 b. Haroldston West
Maria g dau 4 b. Haroldston West
Martha g dau 2 b. Haroldston West
Lettice(?) Rees 18 g dau b. Walton
plus 3 servants

She's not very consistent with her age, is she?

possible marriage reg sep qtr 1841 Haverfordwest vol 26 pg 681 William Morris and Phebe Thomas on same page
or march qtr 1844 Haverfordwest vol 26 pg 750 only William Morris transcribed as yet on FreeBmd

[Jenilou]

Osprey. You are a star!

That's her!

I can't believe the response to this post. Wish I'd thought of posting here before.  I have spent so much time online trying to figure all this out, you wouldn't believe.

No, she isn't very consistent with age and that has been a real pain in trying to research her.

However, everything in your post matches what I have been looking for.  David Morris is my GGGG Grandfather (whose wife died in 1845, so the widower bit is right), William the son, Phebe his wife and Maria - the second daughter is the mother of my great grandfather George. All the other sisters are right too.

Thank you also for going to the trouble of looking up a possible marriage.  The date is spot on, but the only discrepancy is that I have had an email from someone that suggests her maiden name is possibly Griffiths, but I haven't yet been able to do any research to back that up.  Thomas, Griffiths - who knows, but this is definitely the Phebe I am looking for.

Thank you so much for taking the time Osprey.  By the way, I don't know where your screen name comes from, but my son Josh is a huge Osprey's fan!

I can't tell you how grateful I am to you, Meliora and Elleray girl, for replying to my post.

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[osprey]

 
that's exactly where my user name comes from! Haven't lived in the area for a while but hope to move back some time. Glad I could help. I've got Edwards in St Dogmael's and I spent ages looking at census returns to work out if it said Dogwells or Dogmells or Dogmaels so I know what it's like.

[Jenilou]

Yep!  And you get the magnifying glass out to try and decipher the letters of the place names.  And then the people's names are spelt differently census to census and the ages are all over the place, and you think you've found them, and then you haven't.

Luckily for me, you've found the ones I was after, so thanks again Osprey for all your help, and good luck in your search!

Jennie