hi jeff and tom, thank you both for your posts.
yes that is them on the 1911 census as i have dates of birth here in scotland that correspond with the dates given, thank you so much for that tom. i see that his daughter mary is missing from the family home, she was born jan 1895 so would have been out living on her own means by than or was married who knows!
yes jeff donald was wonderful to say the least, he was so bubbly and really enjoyed the contact. he is a direct decendant from francis and is the only one still living.
i have this thing about writing about living people on the thread so i will leave it for now
Joe