Departure Records UK

[johnfw]

My ancestors, Charles & Mary Wilkes and children with Ellenor Piggin  (Mary's Sister) arrived Sydney in 1854 on board 'Kate' as assisted migrants.

Records of arrival are available from State Records in NSW Aust.

What details are recorded and available prior to departing UK.

If look up and provision of detail is possible it would be appreciated. 

John

[Robert Coble]

Hi John,
Don't know if this is what you are after OK 

Ship "KATE"  arrived: 18 Nov 1854 at  Botany Bay   

http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au

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[johnfw]

Thanks OzyBob,

I will follow your leads in due course but from past searches they seem very good for going in ever decreasing circles.

NSW archives have the passenger arrival details for assisted migrants which is useful and pertinent to family research.

I would have thought that UK immigration department or such would hold similar detail for departing residents, maybe they were glad to see them go and didn't give a sh*t.

I must keep looking and hoping or someone still has the answer.

 

John

[trish251]

Hi John

I think I have read before there are some records at the National Archives in London - but not all by any means - you would have to search their catalogue. I think you will find - as happens today - there is more concern with people arriving than leaving - thus you are more likely to find any information at the port or arrival, rather than the port of departure. If your emigrants had been convicts you would be likely to find more information about their departure.

So your * sentence is probably close to the truth

Trish

[johnfw]

Trish

Thanks, The arrival information was helpfull.

As they supposedly were assisted migrants I was hoping some information might be available as to who done the assisting etc.. I do believe some assistance was self assistance by way of providing funds to intermediaries and having those funds available on arrival.

In my families case they had housing available for lease to others soon after arrival, in the Waterloo Estate Sydney. I have indentures of leases to others for over 6 properties in this estate from 1855 to1862.

The Stone Mason from London did pretty well for himself. Must be more gaps to fill.

This lot weren't the convicts, not to say they were straight.

John

[tropicalj]

Hello  there John


Have  you  as  yet  got  copies  from  the State  Records  Office  as  to  who  assisted  them?

regards jenn

[sunnylady2005]

There was a department under the auspices of  the Colonial Land and Emigration Commissioners who helped migrants - well helped may be a bit of a euphemism - as there were very tight constraints about who they thought should build this new colony.   There are records about them in (UK) Parliamentary papers but so far as I remember these contain no detail of who was on board unless there were real problems with behaviour of crew/passengers.  HOwever this department's name may give a lead in  the (UK) National Archive about where to find information if they were assisted by the Government scheme. 

Also there were private organisations like those run by Caroline Chisholm and John Lang - not sure if either were operating by 1854 nor whether there were others - who assisted migrants, so knowing who supported them may well give you access to information.  Was the ship chartered for example?

[trish251]

John Dunmore Lang started  before 1854 - there are a couple of books documenting his ships in much detail. The three that I know about came to Qld 1848-50. There is also much documentation of his involvement in the Home Office papers - but his immigrants were not "assisted" - they paid for non-existant land that was promised by Lang without permission from the British govt.

PREACHER, POLITICIAN, PATRIOT John Dunmore Lang
by D. W. A. Baker - Melb Uni Press 1998

There were other Private organisations sponsering immigrants - as well as govt - the Australian Agricultural Company brought many to NSW c. 1850

Trish

[LibHastings]

Hi John,

I'm not sure whether you have found the shipping records yet but here they are from www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/indexes_online_3357.asp#ImmigrationampShippi
Assisted immigrants arriving in Sydney & Newcastle, 1844-59.
Surname Firstname  Age  Remarks    Vessel   Year   Reel    
WILKES   Charles        31    and family    Kate     1854  2137, 2466   
WILKES   Edwin          1   
WILKES   Mary          35   
WILKES   Samuel         9      
WILKES   William          5   
PIGGIN   Eleanor        33   

The records may show age, occupation, place of birth, parents names, religion, whether they could read/write, if they had relatives in the 'Colony' and the fare.

I have been meaning to check a few other immigration records so I could check this too if you like. It may take me a week or two.

Believe it or not, I also have an interest in this family (although a very distant limb in my tree). Rose Wilkes (born 1886, G/daug of Charles) married Thomas Cheeseman in 1908. Thomas was a nephew of my GG G/mother.

Would you happen to have found the Charles & Mary in the 1851 Census? Are you in Aust ?  Happy to swap info.

Libby