Hi Joe
Thank you for that information, which leaves me up in the air! Where are Anne Elizabeth and Alice?

Is there any chance you can do a search for them on 1871. According to freebmd they were born in 1867 and 1869 respectively and 1881 census gives their places of birth as Sproatley and Hedon respectively. My other thought was that they were Gibsons but on freebmd they are definitely Ellertons.
If you can help further it would be great.
Best wishes.
Zephyr

PS: Thank you for 1861 info - do you happen to have 1851 census access. The only info I have on Frederick is from the censuses so have no idea of his parents.
Sorry to ask so much. If you can't help don't worry I will put a request on the board.
With many thanks.
Janet