Frustrated Sutherland Seeks Sutherlands

[JenClark]

Hey Margaret....ooh so the death in 1855 is her??? That might be a piece of luck!

As registration started in 1855 they recorded a LOT of detail on certificates that year, including all of the persons children's names.....so yes e-mail it to me and let's see what we have got to work with 

The response you have from your message looks extremely promising, but there is a lot of information there to try and verify.....one step at a time 

Jenny

[JenClark]

Thanks for e-mailing the certificate...what luck 

Transcription:
Catherine Sutherland
Female
76yrs
born Dunbrae, Dunbeath, Parish of Latheron, Caithness-shire
76yrs in Parish of Latheron
Father: Alexander Sutherland, farmer (deceased)
Mother: Janet Sutherland, maiden name Sutherland (deceased)
Married to: John Sutherland, Pensioner (second marriage)
Children:
From 1st Marriage - James Henderson 51yrs, John Henderson 49yrs
From 2nd Marriage - Alexander Sutherland 34yrs, Donald Sutherland 32yrs, William Sutherland (D)
Died: 30th April 1855 at 11pm, at Upper Achavrole, Dunbeath, Parish of Latheron, Caithness-shire
Cause: Rheumatism, 12 years, no medical attendant
Burial place: Churchyard of Latheron
Informant: Alexander Sutherland, nearest relative (present)
Registered: 2nd May 1855, Latheron

So you now have confirmation that Alexander was not an only child, he has a brother Donald Sutherland living and 2 half brothers James & John Henderson.

You also have the next generation back from Catherine Sutherland - her parents Alexander Sutherland and Janet Sutherland (nee Sutherland)....that is a few more Sutherlands to add to the list!

Also......According to the notes: "A great aunt of Alexander Sutherland (great grandfather of John Sutherland) was a chieftainess of Clan Sutherland and her health used to be publicly toasted at the Cross in Edinburgh" (how do you verify this?) Thank you for being in touch".   I found the marriage for John and Cathrine/Katherine on the IGI. 

I think the next step is to order the marriage from Scotland's People to be sure, though it may not have any other details. You may have to follow the Henderson boys to see if you can confirm the name of Catherine's first husband Mr Henderson.

Also, it would be near impossible to link these Sutherlands back to any chieftain or chieftainess of the Clan, there are many fanciful stories passed down the generations about Clan connections, some true...many false....most impossible to verify 

Jenny

[JenClark]

Donald remarried and came to Australia with Elizabeth and John and left James in Scotland with his maternal grandparents , the Andersons but he came to Aust. at 16 and was present at the death of his father. So yes, Alexander is a brother of Donalds.

Do you know who Donald Sutherland's second wife was? And if his second marriage was in 1855? If it is, I would look for that certificate on Scotland's People as it will show his parents names and we can confirm once and for all if he is in fact the Donald Sutherland (aged 32yrs) on Catherine's death certificate and therefore a brother to Alexander   

[mweston]

Hi Jenny, thanks again, will try the Hendersons, keep you posted. 
Margaret

[JenClark]

ok, good luck 

[JenClark]

Hey Margaret,

You may have found these already, but if not, below is a probable first marriage for Catherine Sutherland from Scotland's People

KATHARINE SUTHD./JOHN HENDERSON
12/07/1804
038/
10 537
Latheron

There is also a possible birth for Catherine's eldest son James, but I couldn't see anything that would match the next son, John

JAMES HENDERSON son of
JOHN HENDERSON/
M
18/04/1805
038/
10 363
Latheron

I Also saw a possible marriage for Catherine's parents, Alexander & Janet:

ALEXANDER SUTHERLAND
JANNET SUTHD./
20/02/1772
038/
10 485
Latheron

And some possible births for Catherine Sutherland....though there were an awful lot of Alexander Sutherlands in Latheron at the time (9 Alexander Sutherlands married in Latheron between 1770-1785 alone). Indeed, from the notes you have on her second husband John, his father may also have been named Alexander Sutherland 

KATHRINE SUTHERLAND daughter of
ALEXANDER SUTHERLAND/
F
15/02/1778
038/
10 192
Latheron

KATHRINE SUTHERLAND daughter of
ALEXANDER SUTHERLAND/
F
28/10/1776
038/
10 182
Latheron

You do have an awful lot of Sutherlands in your tree....by my reckoning below....


                                                                                                             Alexander Sutherland
                                                                                                                 (not yet proven)
                                                                          John Sutherland
                                                                                                             Unknown
                                   Alexander Sutherland
                                                                                                             Alexander Sutherland
                                                                          Catherine Sutherland

                                                                                                             Janet Sutherland
William Sutherland
                                                                                                             John Sutherland
                                                                                                                 
                                                                          David Sutherland
                                                                                                             Margaret Bain
                                   Jane Sutherland
                                                                                                             James Gunn
                                                                          Margaret Gunn

                                                                                                             Jane Sutherland

[mweston]

Hi Jenny, thanks heaps.  I did get the MC for Catherine and John Sutherland in 1819 04/03/1819 but it only has their names and nothing else. Can send a copy if you like.  Yep, that's exactly how my tree looks.. well without the extra Alexander.  I have been checking the Chelsea Pensioner records but the closest John Sutherland passed away in 1849 and the rest aren't till much later... Not sure if he actually was in the Chelsea Hospital or was Outside.... seeing I can't pick him up anywhere I'm starting to think that may be he never left the hospital.. I wish I could find what Regiment he was in.. there are 2 for Latheron...the Tree is certainly coming together, I am in the process of writing up the story..and bringing the two families into William...many thanks again, your very good.   Cheers Margaret

[JenClark]

Hmmm...just had a look at the marriage, it says:

John Sutherland and Catharine Sutherland both in Lybster married on 4th March 1819

I think that might be the wrong one....we haven't found any links to Lybster as yet.

Catherine's death certificate suggested that she was born in Dunbeath, and she is still on the Dunbeath Estate in the 1841 and 1851 census returns....so I would expect a mention of Dunbeath or Achavrole at least.

I think you ordered:

JOHN SUTHERLAND
CATHARINE SUTHERLAND/
04/03/1819
038/
10 571
Latheron

rather than:

JOHN SUTHERLAND
KATHARINE SUTHERLAND/
12/03/1818
038/
10 568
Latheron

The 12th March is the date from the notes Donald Sutherland's family have, not 4th March.
 
Unfortunately the two marriages are not on the same page 

I can't see any marriages for a Catherine Henderson in Caithness between 1805 and 1820.

Jenny

[JenClark]

Oh, and John Sutherland was a Chelsea Pensioner yes, but he did not stay at the hospital in London. He is in the 1841 census in Caithness, so he was an out-pensioner...and it is possible that he passed away in 1849 

1841 census - Tormore, Latheron, Caithness
John Suther'd 60yrs Army P(ensioner) born in county
Catharina Suther'd 55yrs born in county
Alex Suther'd 20yrs Shoemaker born in county
Alex Suther'd 15yrs MS (male servant) born in county