Look up Patrick DOOLAN

[helenmk]

Thanks for the replies. I'm still at an early stage for this family but have found them to be very frustrating until I was told about the tendency for RCs to register with church authorities and forgo govt. It suddenly all made sense. My grandfather was always known to me as John Stephen KEOGH, parents Stephen KEOGH + 1929 (believed to be born in Vic) & Mary Louisa WHEELER (B. 9/12/1876 d. 21/2/1942). There has been no marriage cert found and 5 of her 6 children where reg as WHEELER. My grandfather the alledged first born was born 4/6/1896 @ Narrabri but there is no govt record of his birth. Was he even their son??? The names found on NSW BDM and used for the marriages for the 6 siblings vary between KEOGH & WHEELER. Bridget DOOLAN supposed to be Mary's 1/2 sister but dates don't support this. More likely Bridget is an aunt. Regardless Mary and Bridget were close associates, but how I don't know. I'd like to be more specific but I'm using the local library and all my notes are at home. I thought you might like a prompt reply. Hope to be more organised next time for you.

Cheers,
Helen

[cando]

Hi

Margaret's fate unknown at this stage but had young children.

There was also a Bridget DOOLAN born around 1848 @ Branxton who seems/may have had a string of children to Thomas BEAHAN - but this pairing is elusive too.

I have given you some information reply#16 and #17....would appreciate some feedback eg are the records found for your Margaret and Bridget?

I would suggest you read the following link.   
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/historyRecords.htm

The churches were not involved with birth registrations post 1856.  Are you referring to baptisms?   There were many reasons that births were not registered - information on link above.

What year do you believe your grandfather was born in Victoria?

Cando

[sparrett]

Hi All,
Cando
Somewhere in REPLY # 18 Helen mentions her grandfathers birthdate as 4/6/1896 at Narrabri NSW.
This man's death is on NSW bdm

Helen,
Like Cando, I would be glad if you could consider the information given and also my questions regarding certificates in reply # 3.

There may be some real answers for you from the helpers on this board, but it is
"Two Way Street"

I appreciate there can be difficulties inconveying relevant information at the beginning, but consise and factual is the way to go

Sue

[helenmk]

This is what I have (let me know it you need further and I'll see what I can dig up from home):

From NSW Certificates:

John WHEELER
b circa 1802 London, England
d 7/1/1872 @ Singleton, buried Cof E cem Singleton
 occ: Groom (1837), horse breaker (1839) farmer (1857, 1872)
arrive Aust:  circa 1836

married 13/9/1836 of Carrington @ AACo County of Glouster by Rev William M COWPER, wit Henry BRADSHAW, Carrington & Eliza PAYNE (Possible cousin/aunt)
 to:

Maria Ann(e) Dottin HOGG
b circa 1811 Dartmouth, Eng
d 23/8/1857 @ Melville near Lochinvar, buried C of E West Maitland

arrive Aust: circa 1836

 issue:
# 1/ William Joseph b 17/9/1857 @ AACo estate in county Gloucester, married Mary Anne DUFFY 18/4/1860, Rev James Hanly(unclear), wit Michael LESTER (X his mark), Sara DUFFY (X her mark) 

 # 2/ Henry b 4/6/1839 @ AACo estate in county Gloucester, married @ age 19yrs (resident @ Melville) to Margaret DOOLAN aged 17yrs (resident @ Black Creek), St John's Church West Maitland, by Rev John Thomas LYNCH, Dean, wit John WHEELER, Ellen DOOLAN (parents of bride and groom
not listed).
occ. labourer (1876), carrier (1878)
Henry died 22/2/1878 @ Uralla, issue 5 males & 2 females (all living). Buried @ Uralla, no minister attending.

# 3/John b 1840 (NSW BDM)

# 4/ Charles b. 1842, d 1899, m 1861 (NSW BDM)

# 5/Harriet b. 1844 (NSW BDM)

# 6/ Maria b. 1846 (NSW BDM)

# 7/ George b. 1848 (NSW BDM)

# 8/ Louisa b. 1849 (NSW BDM)


From Henry and Margaret's marriage: 5 males & 2 females

# 1/ John b. 1860 (NSW BDM)

#2/ Patrick B. 1861, d. 1928 (NSW BDM)

# 3/ William b. 1866 (NSW BDM)

# 4/ Margaret b. 1869 (NSW BDM)

# 5/ Joseph James b. 1872, d. 1940 (NSW BDM)

# 6 Ernest Albert b. 1874 (NSW BDM)

# 7 Mary Louisa b. 9/12/1876, d. 19/2/1942 (entered as KEOGH and as having married at age 17 at Armidale to Stephen KEOGH - no record on NSW BDM. 5 of 6 children listed on death cert were registered as WHEELER with no mention of a partner or of previous issue having been born. In addition she varies her age between 2 and 4 yrs out alingment of verifiable facts (family trait? see above).

Her partner was buried on 10/6/1929 aged 59yrs. No entry for his death on NSW BDM. I have John Stephen KEOGH's death certificate. Mother's name given as BEAN - which was what I have always thought. But as death certs are always either 2nd or 3rd hand mistakes/guesses come into the picture. Everything I have found fits Mary Louisa WHEELER. From this point we are entering the field of the living so I can't safely proceed any further down that line.





Bridget DOOLAN

b. circa 1848

From NSW BDM had 6 children (that I found) - no partner listed on index:

# 1/ William J b. 1869

# 2/ William Patrick b. 1873

#3/ Reginald B 1876, d 1876

# 4/ Malinda M b. 1878, d 1878

# 5/ Ethel May b 20/6/1879 @ Singleton, no occupation given by mother only age as 31yrs, born @ Branxton.
Ethel May BEAHAN, 24 yrs, laundress of Armidale, parents Thomas BEAHAN, Fettler & Bridget DOOLAN married 19/7/1904 by Thomas Johnstone D.D. Presbyterian Church, Armidale, wit J J LAWLOR & Maude SHERWOOD, to: Richard Marden MOREY, 28 yrs, Labourer of Armidale, parents Richard Marden MOREY & Margaret Francis Jane SHERWOOD

# 6/ Henry Herbert, b 1882


 





This is what I have so far. I don't know if this will help matters. I'm trying to straighten out my great grandfather and grand father's stories. Greatgrandfather was supposed to be a jumps jockey and Mary Louisa WHEELER/KEOGH is alledged to have injured herself in a fall from a horse and was crippled by the fall (no mention on her death cert - may be it was Stephen KEOGH the jumps jockey who had the fall).


I originally thought that John WHEELER was the convict John WHEELER aka MAHER as there were at first flush times/places that fit, but have now ruled that out as dates/ages don't fit. Maria and John have no mention of needing the Gov's permission to marry. In addition there is a possibility that Maria came out with Rev William M COWPER. as they were at the same parish St Petrox Dartmouth at the same time and appear in NSW in the same yr. He also marries John & Maria, and baptises their children. But this may all be coincidental.

Cheers,

Helen

[helenmk]

Dear All,

Thanks for your valuable info. I have now ordered death cert for Margaret FAULKNER. When it arrives I'll post it's details on this site. Also does anyone have any photos of this family? None of my rels - who descend from John Stephen KEOGH have anything from his side of the family. Just curious!!!!

Cheers, Helen

[cando]

Hi Helen

You would need to contact CT, the author of this thread for any possible photos of this family.  However CT hasn't logged on to rootschat since Mar 2009.

Neither Sparrett or I are connected to this family....we, along with many others, try to help 'chatters with their requests.

Did you know you can order transcriptions of certificates in NSW...a cheaper and quicker option to purchasing a certified certificate.
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/howToSearch.htm#TranscriptionAgent

Cheers
Cando

[helenmk]

Thanks for the tip. I'll give them a try.

Helen

[helenmk]

Details re Margaret FAULKNER (yes she is Margaret DOOLAN - thanks for putting me on to her)

Died 20/11/1913 @ Macquarie St Glen Innes
Age 72
F. Patrick DOOLAN, Farmer
M. Margaret
Informant. P WHEELER, son, Glen Innes
Buried 21/11/1913 @ Roman Catholic Cemetry, Glen Innes.
Born Branxton NSW
Place of Marriage, age, and to whom
1# Maitland, 17yrs, Henry WHEELER
2# Tamworth, 38yrs, James FAULKNER

Children of marriage

1# John 64yrs
     Patrick 52
     William H 47
     Margaret 43
     Joseph 41
     Ernest A 39
     Mary L 36

2# no issue


There is at least 2yrs between the death of Henry and her remarriage. It is possible that Mary Louisa, who was 14mths when her father died, was sent to live with Bridget DOOLAN's family (aka BEAHAN and most likely corrupted to BEAN as passed down the family story line and given on John Stephen KEOGH's death cert). This might explain the half-sister story.

Thanks everyone for the help,

Helen

[C.T]

Hi
Starting from the beginning Margaret Doolan daughter of Patrick and Margaret Doolan nee Mannix born 1841, baptised 27 March 1841. She married Henry Wheeler 21 June 1859 at St John's Catholic Church, Maitland, NSW. They had 7 children : John Wheeler born 1860, Patrick, b 1861, William Henry 1866, Margaret Gertrude, b 9 Aug 1869 Margaret had a child out of wedlock have been in touch with that family, Joseph James b 1872 Ernest Albert 1874
Mary Louise, b 9 Dec 1876 Uralla, NSW
Mary married John Henry Smith 7 April 1902 at St Patrick Church, Sydney, James Smith came to NSW from Geelong Vic, James died 1957 at his home  Adamstown, Newcastle, NSW. Mary died 10th May 1953 Adamstown Newcastle. Mary died of diabetes after she had both of her legs removed. I have been in touch with that family. I have notice Walter F born to a Mary at Narrabri in 1898 Henry brother William move to Narrabri William had a son Walter
Henry Wheeler died  after being ill for 22 days of dysentery at Uralla, NSW on the 22 February 1878 aged 38 years and 8 mths
Margaret married James Thomas Faulkner  in Tamworth in 1882, their witnessess were G.A Englert and Lucy Paddington . Margaret was 18 years older than James
They had two children James and Thomas whom both died Margaret and James reared Margaret Gertrude son Martin born Wheeler when under the name Faulkner have his line
Margaret died 20 November 1913 at Glen Innes
I would say you should be looking under Bridget Doolan b 7 July 1846 at Black Creek daughter of Patrick and Margaret Doolan nee Mannix she had five children out of wedlock Mary L b 1871, William Patrick b 1873, both under Dolan which was the original family name back Ireland Reginald b 1876 d 1876, Melinda b 1878 d 1878 Ethel May 1879, Henry Hebert b 1882 all these children were born Patrick Plains (Singleton) Bridget married Thomas Beahan in 1882 at Patrick Plains Ethel May married under Beahan and so did Henry Hebert Bridget died 7 Aug 1926 at Armidale