Look up Patrick DOOLAN

[C.T]

Hi Prue
I have found something thats very interesting, I have been researching for two years now
The two Doolan brothers  William born 1792, and Patrick born 1796, that came on the ship "Mangles" in 1822 were forward to Windsor for distribution to a Richard Kelly. In the census 1823,1824,1825 both Patrick and William were convict labourers for Captain Brabyn, " York Lodge "
Patrick Doolan received his Ticket of leave in1827
In the 1828 census Patrick was a labourer for Mosses Rocket (Rochotz) at Cornwallis Windsor, and William under Dooling, was a assigned convict for John Gaggin at Luskintyre, the Maitland area
They both receive their Certificate of Freedom in 1829
From there on I lost Patrick Doolan
On microfiche Banns Marriages William Doolan permission to marry 1832, to a Mary Mahoney
William died 1836. Church of England on the reels William Dowland, Black Creek, 23 April 1836 aged 40 years , ship Mangles, Free
Catholic William Doolan, West Maitland, 21 April 1836 aged 39, Free, Farmer Minster James Watkin. James Watkin married Patrick and Margaret
William was buried at the old St Peters Glebe, Cemetery Maitland
I have just found a interesting thing, found William Dolan headstone at Glebe Cemetery, Maitland, still standing on a site on the internet, It reads; William Dolan, Limerick Ireland died 6 May 1836, Erected by his brother Patrick
There are three others buried with him Eleanor 1837 could this be Patrick daughter Ellen,William 1838, and Patrick, can't believe it, these are the names of the children Patrick and Margaret lost, the dates are wrong but even William Dolan dates are wrong. Really I think they had to much to worry about than dates
My brother lives down that way, get him to check it out
I think even the dates are wrong when they came out on the ship "Mangles"
William 1792 Patrick 1796
William was 40 years when he died in 1836 that makes him born 1796
So Patrick would have been born 1792 thats makes more sense, except for his age of 85 years when he died, there is a 7 years gap
Well I think I have found him, what do you think
Thanks Prue for your help, I do appreciate it,
C.T

[sparrett]

Hi CT
I don't know if you have explored this excellent site about early settlers in your region of interest.

 The names Brabyn, Kelly, Dowland etc. all bring up an item or 2 of interest when typed into search.
Good luck.
Sue

http://www.jenwilletts.com/search.htm

Among other things I see info that Father James Watkins was the first Roman Catholic priest at St Joseph's Church.

[C.T]

Hi Sue
Yes I have explored that site, Patrick Dolan 30 Sep 1846, Black Creek, subscriber for the Irish Funds, would be my great great grandfather, also you will find Mannix and names of interest
Yes Father Watkins was the first Roman Catholic priest at Maitland, Patrick Doolan and Margaret Mannix, marriage was Rev Father James Watkins very first entry in the Marriage Register at Black Creek, (Branxton, NSW). Father Watkins stayed only a short time, Father Dowling was the second priest to take up residence in Maitland. In 1836 Father Watkins left the Maitland area and went to Hobart
Doing my step daughters family tree. Her family goes back to the first five free settlers that came from England. Thomas Rose daughter Mary married William Green their daughter Elizabeth married Richard Kelly, just a bit of trivia, she would have been there when Patrick and William Doolan arrive
I think I have found my missing link
Thanks keeps
C.T

[helenmk]

Does anyone have the baptismal and marriage dates for this family? Patrick and Margaret DOOLAN were my ggg grandparents. Their daughter married Henry WHEELER son of John and Maria Ann(e) Dottin (nee HOGG) WHEELER. I have some details about this family but am having problems with the DOOLANs as being good catholics didn't register their details with govt authorities. Consequently are proving difficult to find esp as I live interstate and can't just pop in for a record search.

[cando]

Hi helenmk

Welcome to rootschat.

He [Patrick] was married the 5 Nov1835 Black Creek ( Branxton, NSW ) to Margaret Mannix, by Father Watkins, he died 29 Dec 1869, at Branxton, NSW, from Ardpatrick, Ireland, which is on his headstone, his death certificate don't match he was apparently 56 year in the colony, 42 year old when he married and 85 years old when he died, which makes him abt 51 years old when he married, his last child was born 1856

C.T

The marriage with the bride's surname mistranscribed.

http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/search.htm

V1835266 123/1835
DOOLAN Patrick   
MANNIG  MARGARET
 LK =  Roman Catholic Church at either  East Maitland,  Maitland,  or West Maitland

Pre 1856 you will only find Parish records.  Civil registration commenced 1856. A little about it here -
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/historyofRegistrysRec.htm

Cheers
Cando

Apologies Robert I missed your post with the same marriage   

[helenmk]

The NSW BDM is not my problem with this family. I have a string of relatives that come from this DOOLAN line but have NOT registered with government authorities. I know that they are to be found in local parish registers, but I can't get to them at this stage. My grand father's birth was not registered with the govt. My great grandfather's death is also not registered. There is also quite a number of other missing details/rels. Which may explain the absence of Death Reg etc. Roman Catholics, pre Vatican II it seems, were told that there is only one authority that matters, the Holy Church of Rome. Also there was a degree of resentment having to do the same thing twice (i.e. register) and pay for the privilege. What I can say is that Henry WHEELER m Margaret DOOLAN 21/6/1859, witt: Ellen DOOLAN & John WHEELER. Henry died 22/2/1878 @ Uralla. Margaret's fate unknown at this stage but had young children. There was also a Bridget DOOLAN born around 1848 @ Branxton who seems/may have had a string of children to Thomas BEAHAN - but this pairing is elusive too.

Cheers,
helen

[sparrett]

Hi Helen,
Putting aside the difficulties of registration, it would be helpful , if you are seeking information to let us know what you hold as certified information and what you are seeking to find out.

When you say "there was also a Bridget Doolan", do you mean she was another child of Patrick and Margaret?

Who, in the men you mention, was your Great grandfather ? Wheeler?
What dates of this person's life do you have?

All of this may help others to help you as Cando has attempted kindly to do.

Sue

[cando]

Mmm the 1859 marriage and 1878 death you mention in detail, are on the NSW bdm.

If Bridget is the dau of Patrick and Margaret, could this be her birth - transcription of a parish record on the NSW bdm.  Civil registration did not commence until 1856

V18461107 63/1846     
DOOLING  Bridget
Father Patrick  Mother Margaret

? 2nd marriage for Margaret DOOLAN.

6457/1882
WHEELER Margaret
FAULKNER James
District Tamworth

and death

19611/1913     
FAULKNER Margaret
Father Patrick  Mother Margaret
District Glen Innes

Of course you would need to purchase certs/transcriptions to ensure this is the correct Margaret.

Births
12363/1882     
FAULKNER  Elizabeth
Father James  Mother Margaret
District Boorowa
    
20705/1886     
FAULKNER Thomas
Father James  Mother Margaret
District Glen Innes   

Only Margaret is listed on the 1903 Electoral Roll at Furracabad, Divison New England, Subdivision Glen Innes.  Occupation  Domestic duties.

Death
5060/1900     
FAULKNER James     
Father Joseph  Mother Margaret
District Boorowa 

Cando

[cando]

Thomas and Bridget had five children, four of whom died as infants.

Deaths
17012/1917
BEAHAN  Thomas 
Father Timothy  Mother Charlotte
District Gilgandra

11396/1926     
BEHAN  Bridget  78 years   Armidale
District Armidale

There are no listings for the BEAHAM's on the 1903 electoral roll.

Cando