1841 census - Sarah Giles

[wrjones]

I've just checked again,and Deborah was born in Holywell in c 1803.

Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.

[bustergut]

Ahh, thanks!
That saved me a fruitless trawl through Manchester archives. I notice on another thread that you have the Holywell Joneses as one of your interests.
Is Deborah part of your family?

[wrjones]

Well again Bustergut,my Jones Family from Bagillt is proving quite a tough nut to crack.I am only making,what at best can only be described as slow progress!I will try and look again Thursday for your Deborah Jones in c 1803.

Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.

[bustergut]

from my research it sounds like Deborah had a hellish life.
She got pregnant and married a bloke who fathered a child with another woman at around the same time.
If that wasn't bad enough, he took her to live in Manchester - and the parts of Manchester in which they lived (Deansgate, Chorlton-on-Medlock) were described as "the very essence of hell" by a local mission superintendent.
She lost two children aged six and 18 months, gave birth to twins and even when she returned to Greenfield she lost her husband and had to work with white lead, which no doubt poisoned her.
She re-married and second hubby John Hughes took her back to Manchester.
She seems to have disappeared by 1861, and there could be a hundred things that killed her!

[bustergut]

The marriage certficate of Elizabeth Giles (Sarah's half-sister) and Thomas Egerton arrived today, and one or two things have me puzzled.
Presuming I have the right Elizabeth, she is down as being a "minor" - what does that mean, as Thomas is "of full age".
If it is the same Elizabeth, I make she would have been around 20 at the time of the wedding on November 5 1848 in Eccles Parish Church.
Her father is also down as "John Giles" which again made me wonder.
Your Elizabeth's father was William, and her stepfather was John Hughes.
I just wonder if the vicar had asked her father's name, she replied "John" meaning her stepfather, and he had simply presumed his surname was Giles.
I hope that is the case, otherwise I have been barking up the wrong tree all this time!

[bustergut]

Just to add:
Does anyone know any details about the death of William Giles senior, father of the illegitimate Sarah and first hubby of Deborah?
I have William junior's death certificate (He died of atrophy aged 18 months on September 6 1838, not 1836) and on it he is described as infant son of a labourer (deceased).
So William senior must have died between William junior's baptism on March 3 1837 and William junior's death in Sept 1838.

[wrjones]

There is the death of a William Giles in the Holywell District on Ancestry,in the July Quarter of 1838.The GRO Ref is Volume 27,Page 144.

Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.

[MrEeyore]

I'm also looking into the Giles family from Greenfield, Holywell. My line goes through to Charles Egerton b. Manchester 1863. I think that means I'm related to Bustergut.

[MrEeyore]

Oh yes

I mean to add. I also have Elizabeth Giles marrying as a minor, but those days aged 20 was still considered as such.