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Re: Frey/ Lehman
« Reply #99 on: Friday 12 January 07 20:17 GMT (UK) »
I'm back working on this ,now Christmas is out of the way.
Interestingly I now have a contact in the UK from the Williams family whose kin also recall Uncle Fred and Auntie Flo / Alfred Frey and Florence Williams.
 They seemed to have visited Florence Williams family in Chester as well as Alice Freys daughters in later years. Indeed they recall seeing Flo and cousin Shiela Warren off in 1938 aboard the Scythia returning to NY.
Just out of interest, in the UK 1891 census of the Freys in Manchester , they have a boarder Carl Volkert, born same region as Marie Frey, also in the house are his two sisters , one Lizzie as a house maid and one Bertha as a visitor. Again I've found a descendant from one of Carls brothers who also emigrated from Germany to the UK.  Terrible tales of anti german feeling , including house burning by mobs and internment in the Isle of Man.
despite which they remained in the UK.
 Nothing new from America yet, I'm still hoping we might find descendants of Leo and Alfred Jnr Frey somewhere.
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« Reply #100 on: Tuesday 13 February 07 17:47 GMT (UK) »
Still digging on this one , but I now have a picture of the Freys, unfortunately no date, names or place :'(

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« Reply #101 on: Tuesday 13 February 07 19:54 GMT (UK) »
Hi Richard

What an absolutely fantastic photo, you must be soooo thrilled to have it and thank you for letting us see it.

I have wondered how you were getting on....your search was a particularly enjoyable one to be involved in.

Keep us updated and if there is anything that I (or the others  8)) can help with just let us know.

Very best wishes

Agnes
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Re: Frey/ Lehman
« Reply #102 on: Friday 23 March 07 00:08 GMT (UK) »
Richard: I couldn't read through all 7 pages of the Frey/Lehman saga, hence this query. Is there a John Frey related to your Freys? I moved house last week from Brooklyn and now live in Queens. On the walk to the subway, I noticed a neighborhood World War I monument with names of the dead on it. John J.(?) Frey was listed. No other information. 

Speaking of information, have you found anything to add to the story?

Regards,
John
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ENGLAND (all Yorkshire but one)
SLATER: Ovenden, Halifax, and Massachusetts
DOBSON, LONGBOTTOM: Thornton (Bradford)
DRURY: Darton, Halifax, and Massachusetts
NEVIL(LE): Wigan (Lancs.), Darton
MEGSON: Dewsbury, Ossett
GARSIDE: Woolley, West Bretton

SCOTLAND
ROBERT HENDRY: b. 1856, Who-knows-where-shire, Scotland; 1882 to US
DEMPSTER, HOUSTON: Lesmahagow, Glasgow, and Massachusetts
GALBRAITH, MEIKLE: Kirkmichael, Ayr.; Hamilton, Glasgow, and Massachusetts


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Re: Frey/ Lehman
« Reply #103 on: Friday 23 March 07 19:42 GMT (UK) »
John,
        Work and family stuff have prevented me from doing much lately, so not much new as yet.  I'm not aware of any Freys from this family who would have fought as an an American soldier in WW1, however given the twists and turns of this thread, who knows :)
      I'm hoping to get pictures of Florence and Fred Frey shortly from the Florence family connections  here in the UK
   I 'm still hopeful of finding living descendants of the Freys in the States but at the moment I havent the time to chase any leads >:(

                 Regards   Richard

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« Reply #104 on: Tuesday 27 March 07 22:55 BST (UK) »
Hi Richard, just checked in today. Have not found pic of Lehman/Kate Frey yet. Good pic you have. Talk to you later. Your cousin Ken
Frey Lehman (Lehmann) Mampel

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« Reply #105 on: Thursday 15 April 10 04:03 BST (UK) »
Hi Ken and Richard

In the 1930 census living at 173-31 104 Rd, Jamaica, Queens, New York (Charles (Carl), Theodora and Richard are living at 175-13) is Frederick (Friedrich?) Mampel age 31 his wife Barbara age 28 and daughters Marianne age 9 and Gerta (Gerda?)
Also living in the household is Friedrich's sister Ida Mampel age 40.

They were all born Germany and immigration year for all of them is shown as 1928.

Are Friedrich and Ida, the brother and sister of Carl? At the very least, they are bound to be relatives....   ???  :)


I haven't found them in the passenger lists arriving in 1928 (+/- 1) but there is an entry for Barbara, Marianne and Gerda returning to the US in 1935, relatives name is Friedrich Mampel, so he obviously didn't travel at this time.


Ken, can you give some names of your Mampel's.... :)


Agnes

It's been years, Ida and Fred (Fritz) is Carl's sister and brother my great aunt and uncle, Barbara is Fred's wife, Marianne and Gertie are their daughters Carl's nieces. Marianne married  Keith Klos who worked for the L.I. Press. Marianne, Keith, Fritz, and Babbett (Barbara), lived on Lexington Ave. in Franklin Square, NY on Long Island. Marianne had no children Gertie also was married and lived on Long Island and had two or three kids. Last time I saw any of them was the '70s. So, they all connect as my direct bloodline.
Frey Lehman (Lehmann) Mampel

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« Reply #106 on: Friday 29 March 19 09:56 GMT (UK) »
Dear Richard, I read your message today about the Frey's in Manchester who had Carl, Lizzie and Bertha Volkert staying/visiting with them.

I am a distant relative of the Volkert's... in that Carl (real name Leonhard Michael Volkert born in Brehmen on 20 Oct 1868, Lizzie (Emma Luisa born in Lichtel u. Mergentheim on 4 Mar 1876) and Bertha (Bertha Elisabetha b in Brehmen 1 Jan 1871) are all children of Johann Georg Michael Volkert (b 21 Mar 842 in Althausen near Bad Mergentheim) and Katharina Luisa Riegler (b 3 Jul 1844 in Brehmen).

(The Germans from the area are often known by their middle names, and swap first & middle name order.  Carl had 3 different names that he went by according to his death records.  The 1939 UK register has Carl with Leonard's correct date of birth.  Lizzy's is out by 2 or 3 years.

I descend from the elder brother of Katharina Luisa Riegler, his name was Andreas.  (Andreas' birth was illegitimate, but Katharina's father Phillip Georg Riegler swore an oath to the church, when Andreas was an adult, that he was also Andreas' father).

You'll know that the Frey's were pork butchers.  There was also a Herman Volkert in the area who was a pork butcher that was a few years younger.  Unfortunately the Ancestry birth records in Mergentheim don't appear to be available to view after 1876 and I think Herman was born in 1877 or 1878.  I have a DNA link to a woman with the surname Collins who descends from Herman.

Was it Sandbach that the Frey's came from (I haven't got my record open).  I couldn't really figure out where that was.  But I thought that there must be some connection to Mrs Frey, for all those Volkert kids to be staying with them... unless it was more distant to Carl/Leonard's wife Marie Stier.

The village of Brehmen is north of Schweigern, south of Nassig.  I have scans of original records from the Evangelic Church in Adelsheim-Boxberg stating that the above births were in Brehmen whereas Ancestry scans say they were in Mergentheim.  From what I can work out, Mergentheim was the central area (i.e. the big town with a castle and square & surrounding area) that held an official copy of birth records & from whom permission to marry was required, whereas Adelsheim-Boxberg was a bit closer & maintained its own records too.

I couldn't find Mrs Frey's maiden name.





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Re: Frey/ Lehman
« Reply #107 on: Friday 29 March 19 10:11 GMT (UK) »
Also,

Emma Luisa Volkert married Johann Georg Lorenz Michael Breuninger (born 23 June 1874) and I just noticed that surname in your list
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