Frey/ Lehman

[Richard54]

Agnes, don't stop looking on my account 
Right, today I talked with my 89 year old aunt and I can confirm that the Freys who came back to visit were Uncle Alfred and Auntie Flo. No sign of them in passenger records, etc. However with George III recalling them and children Alfred Jr and Leo, they must have stayed in New York. Uncle Alfred is recalled both by my cousin John, and my Aunt for being an artist of some kind, he apparently was always drawing - painting. My aunt recalls they both stayed in touch for years, sending birthday presents for the children etc. So , I guess I would love to track this particular couple. I've been using Ancestry for all searches so far without any good pointers so any ideas where to try next?

                               Richard

[johnnyboy]

Richard, Ken, and Agnes:

Don't know if any of you have looked for them or have anything for the Mampels. But I found Carl Mampel from Ilmenau entering the U.S. three times: 1895, 1905, and 1914. I found the passenger lists on the Ellis Island site.

In 1895 he's 3 years old, which doesn't jibe with Ken's dob of 1887. Father is Charles and mother is Wilhelmina. One of the children, looks like Edna seems to have been born in the U.S.

Could I have the wrong Mampels?

 I'm extremely busy for the next few days. But I have been following along. Let me know if you need help locating the passenger lists.

Regards,
John

[YvonneR]

Hi Richard

You just know that it would be impossible for me to stop searching      

I was very busy yesterday, as I'm sure everyone else is, with the Christmas shopping. I have just logged on and saw your message and wouldn't you know.....new names just had to get me going....         

Due to your family having a thing with their first names I thought that I would search the 1930 census, using Leo* with mother's name Flo*


Here is your family

Living at 8801, 107th Street, Richmond Hill, Queens

Head of household, George Frey, rents home $60, age 39, first married at age 23, born England, both parents born Germany, immigration year 1927, occupation Porter Umbrella Co.
Wife, Florence, age 37, first married at age 37, born England as were both parents, imm year 1927
Son, Alfred, age 14, born England, imm 1927
Son, Leo, age 11, born England, imm 1927
Niece, Sheila Warren, age 14, born England, imm year 1927



...and the family left Liverpool on the 28th May 1927 and arrived in New York on 6th June 1927 on the ship Laconia, (George is shown as George A) and it wont take you long to quess that their relative is (father/father in law/Grandfather)  George Frey, who lives on 89th Avenue, Richmond Hill, Long Island (which is Queens!)

Check the 1930 census info on page one of this thread and you will see that the Frey's were living at "10457 89th Avenue, Queens, Queens, New York"

                                           
So, now to try to move forward.......


Agnes

[YvonneR]

Marriage Jan/Feb/March quarter 1915, Chester

Two entries,

George A frey (spouse Williams)
Alfred G Frey (spouse Williams)

and...

Florence Williams (spouse Frey)


Births

Leo Frey (mother's maiden name Williams) born in 4th Quarter 1918, Chester


I cannot find Alfred Frey, possibly needs a deeper search (maybe another first name?)



Also in the passenger lists....

Florence and Sheila Warren travelled in 1938 on the Ship "Scythia"

[Richard54]

    I don't think I'vre been led such a tangle for ages

I think we have a name tangle here, but I think I can say there is just one Frey marrying Florence Williams  and that he was Alfred George Frey, (1891)however he does pop up as George Alfred from time to time lol  Anyway to the family he was Uncle Fred.
 If you really want some fun , have a look at 1911 for a Frey , followed by a marriage in 1914, tut tut, this was the oldest daughter Florence Emily 1884 who remained in England, as did her daughter, who never married and again stayed in contact for many  years with her sisters children.
  Still untangling the rest
                     Richard

[YvonneR]

I just love it Richard......          

Leo?

Leo Frey, born 30th September 1918, died 23rd December 1995 in Duval, Florida


The SSDI shows that his number was issued in New York


If it is..... ?  more Frey's moving to Florida.......

[Richard54]

I can see me giving Ken florida phone numbers to ring 

Meanwhile I'm intrigued that my aunt thought that George and Marie had gone to America before she was born in 1917 whereas the records show 1922, but travelling from Bremen Germany. My aunt says they went due to the threat of internment on the Isle of Man. Trying to untangle that. Unfortunately all records of WW1 internees destroyed in 1970 by UK government. So perhaps they were internees or left the UK back to Germany and to the USA in 1922 to join daughter Hilda.

                             Richard

ps  Alfred Frey    Oct-Dec 1915 Vol 8A /600 Chester     mother Williams

[YvonneR]

Hi Richard

Yes, lots of numbers that look very promising indeed       

With George Shaw's (Schumm) father being in the Stobs Camp in Scotland in 1916, I believe that your Aunt is right.... and maybe their only option was to make that trip from Germany rather than the UK.

That is awful news that the internment records were destroyed 

I did do a search of Rootschat for Stobs camp, Scotland, when I posted my original message regarding George and John Shaw's arrival and I remember that there was some discussion.....will have to search again and see what is available.


I have posted a reply with some info for the Mampel's, to Ken's message on the Common room board, here is the link..... let me know if I am duplicating info that you have already   

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=200092.new

Agnes



Richard, just searched and came up with a link...... it could possibly lead to more avenues to search..

http://members.aol.com/stobsmilitary/Pages/Page6/page6.htm

[Richard54]

http://www.isle-of-man.com/manxnotebook/famhist/genealgy/intern.htm

It could well be that George was interned then deported, women were not held, the article makes depressing reading of how German civilians were treated. It's no wonder almost all the Freys departed these shores

                          Richard