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Re: Frey/ Lehman
« Reply #81 on: Thursday 07 December 06 21:46 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Agnes, but we can still use your help too.
Frey Lehman (Lehmann) Mampel

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Re: Frey/ Lehman
« Reply #82 on: Thursday 07 December 06 23:16 GMT (UK) »
The Frey , Lehmann, Schumn, Mampel,and Breuninger families.

      Johann  Frey                          b 1850  Steinbach Wurttenburg Germany
George aka Adolf Frey          b 1857  Steinbach Wurttenburg Germany
Catherine aka Kate Frey        b  1873 Steinbach Wurttenburg Germany

In 1882 George Frey marries
Marie                                      b Mergentheim, Germany.
In about 1883 George, Marie , and brother John emigrate to Manchester , Lancashire UK, setting up a butchers shop,
Johann returning to Germany by 1901. Meanwhile George and Marie have between 1884 and 1905 at least eight children.

Florence Emily        b 1884        Manchester Lancs
George Frederick     b 1885        Manchester Lancs
Catherine Lily          b 1889        Manchester Lancs
George Alfred          b  1891       Manchester Lancs
Alice Louisa             b 1893        Manchester Lancs
Hilda Marie              b 1895        Manchester Lancs
Reginald Andrew     b.1903        Manchester Lancs
Gladys Magdelen     b. 1905       Manchester Lancs

Alice Louisa Frey marries William Harold Bradshaw b 1894 Hulme Manchester in 1915. They have two daughters
Irene                     b 1916
Margery Louisa    b 1917
Alice Frey dies 12/12/1918.

Passenger Records
14 Dec 1914 Hilda Marie Frey emigrates to New York USA  and states her aunt, Mrs Lehmann, 352 Quincy St , Brooklyn  as her  relative in New York in the passenger records.
April 21 1922  Adolf aka George and Marie Frey with son Reginald and daughter Gladys arrive in New York
stating their sister Mrs Lehmann, 357 Madison St Brooklyn as relative in New York in passenger records.
1927  George aka Alfred Frey, wife Florence nee Meade b 1892 Chester, Cheshire  and sons Alfred b 1916 Chester and Leo b 1921 Chester   arrive in New York  stating father G Frey as nearest relative.

Census
The 1920 US census   Hilda Frey
Engert Avenue, Brooklyn Assembly District 15, Kings, New York

Head of household, Frederick G Breuninger (transcribed as Brenninger), age 39, immigration year 1895, naturalized 1904, born Germany as were both his parents, occupation Iron (Stoker?) Iron Foundry
Wife, Elizabeth, age 34, born New York, both parents born Germany
Cousin, Hilda M Fray, age 24, immigration year 1912, Alien, born England, both her parents born Germany, occupation Stenographer Clothing House
Boarder, George F Shaw, age 34, immigration year 1915, Pa, born England, both parents born Germany, occupation Motorman City Railroad

Noted that Frederick or wife Elizabeth Breuninger is a cousin of Hilda Frey.

A Georg Friedrich Breuninger of Steinbach is recorded in German emigrant records as born 18 Apr 1880 and applying to leave Germany in July 1895 . These dates do fit well.

George Shaw is fact George Schumn b1885 Liverpool UK to German parents , who emigrated with brother John
in 1915.

Hilda Frey 1930
Living at 10457 89th Avenue, Queens, Queens, New York

Head, George Frey, Half owns home, $14000, has a Radio, age 72, married at age 24, born Wurtenberg Germany as were both parents, immigration year 1922, PA, occupation Porter Hosiery Co.
Wife, Marie, age 68, born Germany both parents born Germany, immigration year 1922, Al
Son, Reginald, age 26, born England, immigration year 1922, NA, occupation Mechanic Sports Goods Co.
Daughter, Gladys, age 24, born England, immigration year 1922, NA
Boarder, Earnest Trump, age 29, born Wurtenberg Germany, both parents born Germany, immigration year 1926, PA, occupation Mechanic Garage
Head, George F Shaw, half owns home, $14000, age 44, married at age 37, born Liverpool England, both parents born Germany, immigration year 1916, NA, occupation Instructor Railroad
Wife, Hilda, age 34,  married at age 27, born Manchester England, both parents born Germany, immigration year 1912, NA
Son, George, age 4 and 6 months, born New York
Son, Roy, age 1 and 1 month, born New York

George and Hilda Shaw have two children
George b 1925
Roy       b 1929
Boarder Earnest Trump is a cousin of  Marie Frey. Also born Mergentheim Germany 1901.
Gladys Frey marries Earnest Trump  , no children, Earnest dies 1988 Germany and Gladys 2000 Germany
Reginald 1905 – 1970  marries in New York  details as yet not known  Wife  Freda   Son Reginald.

the Lehmann Family  wife Elizabeth quoted as cousin to Hilda and sister to George/Marie Frey
in 1900 living at 1364, West Kalb Avenue, Brooklyn Ward 27, Kings, New York

Chas Lehman, age 35 
Katie, age 27 
Theodora, age 5

1910 census, 499 Gates Avenue, Brooklyn Ward 23, Kings, New York

Head, Charles Lehmann, age 40,
Wife, Kate, age 37
Daughter, Theodora, age 15
Daughter, Lillian, age 7
 
Marriage.
Theodora Lehman, December 2nd  1916, certificate number 3880, Bronx   
Groom
Carl Mampel, December 2nd  1916, certificate number 3880, Bronx 


Carl and Theodora in the 1920 census are living at 8507 106th Street, Queens Assembly District 5, Queens, New York.
Children of Carl and Theodora
Charles Andrew Richard Mampel b 1920 New York

  Steinbach , given as Georges birthplace is  closer to the Swiss German border than Mergentheim,Marie's birthplace and as Charles Lehmann is stated to come from Switzerland. I'm inclined to go with Kate being a Frey and at the end of the day it still maintains the blood relation line either way.
 
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Re: Frey/ Lehman
« Reply #83 on: Friday 08 December 06 13:49 GMT (UK) »
Looks like Elizabeth born NY 1886 and wife of Frederick Breuninger is a Mampel .  Carl Mampel arriving in 1914 gives  brother in law Fred Breuninger as address in NY.

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Re: Frey/ Lehman
« Reply #84 on: Friday 08 December 06 14:46 GMT (UK) »
Looks like Elizabeth born NY 1886 and wife of Frederick Breuninger is a Mampel .  Carl Mampel arriving in 1914 gives  brother in law Fred Breuninger as address in NY.

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Say what? Here's a fly....Carl Mampel my Grandfather was the oldest of 12 born August 22, 1887....Mampel Family from Ilmenau, Germany. No Elizabeth older or even in America.  I need help tracing the Mampel's..Richard, Agnes, and Johnny..

HELP!!
Frey Lehman (Lehmann) Mampel


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Re: Frey/ Lehman
« Reply #85 on: Friday 08 December 06 15:06 GMT (UK) »
It's ok Ken, I think I have jumped the gun a bit , it just looked like a Fred B---nger , and I have wrong Carl's entry.  Losing the plot with the years :D
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Re: Frey/ Lehman
« Reply #86 on: Friday 08 December 06 20:43 GMT (UK) »
Hi Ken and Richard

In the 1930 census living at 173-31 104 Rd, Jamaica, Queens, New York (Charles (Carl), Theodora and Richard are living at 175-13) is Frederick (Friedrich?) Mampel age 31 his wife Barbara age 28 and daughters Marianne age 9 and Gerta (Gerda?)
Also living in the household is Friedrich's sister Ida Mampel age 40.

They were all born Germany and immigration year for all of them is shown as 1928.

Are Friedrich and Ida, the brother and sister of Carl? At the very least, they are bound to be relatives....   ???  :)


I haven't found them in the passenger lists arriving in 1928 (+/- 1) but there is an entry for Barbara, Marianne and Gerda returning to the US in 1935, relatives name is Friedrich Mampel, so he obviously didn't travel at this time.


Ken, can you give some names of your Mampel's.... :)


Agnes
My family research
Sheridan - Leitrim, Ireland, New York, USA, Birmingham, England
Finnegan - Ireland, New York, USA
Gilmartin - Leitrim, Ireland, New York, USA
Cashal -  Ireland, New York, USA
Donnelly - Ireland
Reilly - Ireland

My husbands family research
Robinson - Birmingham, England
Turner - Birmingham, England
Beresford - Birmingham, England
Hall - Birmingham, England



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Re: Frey/ Lehman
« Reply #87 on: Friday 08 December 06 20:55 GMT (UK) »
Agnes ,
    Yes they are brother and sister
 On one of the passenger lists 1928 I think, one of the sisters Minna, is listed as a Merten, but lists Mampel as family, just above the list of the Mampel family on the passenger record Has son Hans too born 1920 Germany.
Ken also listed a Richard and an Anna in his first post as siblings

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PS check for SS Berlin arriving New York 21  April 1928

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Re: Frey/ Lehman
« Reply #88 on: Friday 08 December 06 21:09 GMT (UK) »
Hi Richard

I was a bit concerned that I might be duplicating information.....just give me a shout if you need any more help searching   :)

Best wishes

Agnes
My family research
Sheridan - Leitrim, Ireland, New York, USA, Birmingham, England
Finnegan - Ireland, New York, USA
Gilmartin - Leitrim, Ireland, New York, USA
Cashal -  Ireland, New York, USA
Donnelly - Ireland
Reilly - Ireland

My husbands family research
Robinson - Birmingham, England
Turner - Birmingham, England
Beresford - Birmingham, England
Hall - Birmingham, England



Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: Frey/ Lehman
« Reply #89 on: Friday 08 December 06 21:13 GMT (UK) »
 :D  thats all I've found Agnes
 would now kill for better passenger records pre 1900  :D :D

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