Frey/ Lehman

[johnnyboy]

Richard:

Who is at this address?
1900 Riverdale Ave, Yonkers? Westchester ,Kings as boarders

Yonkers is not far from Brooklyn (next to the Bronx) and Westchester is the county Yonkers is in. But it is a bit away fro the main action of this tale.

Agnes: I'll probably ask for copies after I've finished with the next week and a half of pure, unmitigated he...ck.

John

[YvonneR]

Richard

No! They are definitely in Brooklyn in 1900

This is the reference

Roll -  T623 1065
Page - 19B
Enumeration District - 492

There is Charles, Katie and Theodora in the household


Agnes

[Richard54]

 
it's so easy to trip up,   and it really threw my searches further back  at Riverdale Ave Yonkers in 1900
A Chas Lehmann  born 1870  Switzerland
A Kate  Lehmann  born 1873  Germany   has been married 6 years , had 2 children, 1 living , but no children at same address
entered in 1889and 1890.
  ok , i''ll  go get my coat

                 Richard

[YvonneR]

Don't you dare     

Now, why can't we find them in 1930?

I am going to read through the whole thread again to see if I have missed something 

Also, although Kate (Catherine) was quoted as "sister" and "aunt" on the passenger manifests, do you think that we are making the wrong assumption in thinking that she was George's sister? maybe she was Marie's sister 

Am I correct in thinking that we do not know Marie's maiden name?


Agnes

[Richard54]

   hmmmmmm  pause for thought,  still thinking that despite my mislead on 1900   they entered in 1890 but still not married till 1893 so we should be able to track them in somehow or we desperately need the marriage to prove things one way or the other
 oh and in 1920  Carl and Theodora Mampel (nee lehmann) Theodora has father born Switzerland and mother born Germany. Am I the only one getting dizzy
up date:  a Karl Lehmann right age arrived in 1890 but in December. Again I wonder if we have a Karl, Carl, Chas and Charles mix here
                Richard

[YvonneR]

Hi Richard

Eyes are really tired now, so will call it a night 

Strange that you should mention Switzerland, I will have to go back and look at the census's.....but I am sure that Ken mentioned Switzerland when we were "talking" in the chatroom this morning.

Tiredness has crept up on me but hopefully Ken will clear this up when he comes online.

More to do tomorrow     

Agnes

[kennvido]

Ken: Originally from Pennsylvania, near Pittsburgh. I live near Brooklyn College and Bedford Avenue. I do know Cropsey Avenue--but as a place to avoid because of the Belt Parkway!

If you feel up to it, you can scan your picture and attach it to a posting here on Rootschat. Over three hundred people have followed this thread. I'm sure they'd be interested in seeing the pic.

Regards,
John

I was going to upload it...great minds think alike LOL

[kennvido]

Occupation, Cooper, age 30


Agnes

FYI, a cooper is a barrel maker.

[kennvido]

Well , looking at the 1910 census again, Charles entered in1888 and Kate in 1890. Married column gives a figure of fifteen years married so it would indicate they met and married New York, then again the 1900 has Charles as 1898 and Kate as 1890    Now who took care of a 17 yr old Kate when she came to New York? and for that matter who did Charles stay with?  Also interesting to see by 1910 she had had 5 children but only two living Theodora and Lillian. Hard times 

                Richard

Many times the man came over first to secure a job and living before the wife and family came. This could be the reason.
That is what happened to my Nana and Mom when they came over from Hungary in 1940, in fact they were on the second to last ship allowed to leave Europe because of Nazi's coming into power.