Frey/ Lehman

[johnnyboy]

Richard: You could also get a bigger stove! 

I mentioned earlier that I may go to the NYC Municipal Archives. That will probably be in early January.

John

[Richard54]

 
 I'm now trying to track the Lehmanns into New York , one census says 1898 but no sign of them, I'm sure it is earlier

                Richard

[YvonneR]

Richard, Ken and John

Found Charles petition for naturalization record         

County court, Kings County

1st page
Lehmann Charles
Date of naturalization, Nov 2nd 1900
Vol, 309, page, 215
address, 1362 Dekalb Avenue
Occupation, Cooper, age 30
former nationality, Emporer of Germany
port of arrival, New York
Date of arrival, Aug 20th 1890

Witness to naturalization
George Martens, 491 Gates Ave
Occupation, Saloon

2nd page

Series 1, Record number 11181


About to check the passenger lists with this new info


Agnes

[Richard54]

Well , looking at the 1910 census again, Charles entered in1888 and Kate in 1890. Married column gives a figure of fifteen years married so it would indicate they met and married New York, then again the 1900 has Charles as 1898 and Kate as 1890    Now who took care of a 17 yr old Kate when she came to New York? and for that matter who did Charles stay with?  Also interesting to see by 1910 she had had 5 children but only two living Theodora and Lillian. Hard times 

                Richard

[YvonneR]

Richard

If you look at the 1900 census, Charles' occupation is shown as "Cooper", so the record above looks pretty convincing as well as the address, also on that particular census, his immigration year is shown as 1890   

Hopefully John will give his thoughts on this 

Can't find Charles whilst doing a search for the 20 Aug 1890, there is a Leopold Lehmann, arriving on that day , although his occupation is shown as "Painter"

will continue to search 

Agnes

[johnnyboy]

Hi all:

My thoughts: Charles might have been working for a brewery or for the saloon to which his naturalization witness was attached. Sorry, my brain is on low-power at the moment.

Agnes, is the 1900 census address the same as the address on the naturalization petition? Also, where did you find the nat. petition? On Ancestry.com somewhere?

John

[YvonneR]

Hi John

I stupidly forgot to check the address 

It is , I presume a tenement building (lots of families at the same address  ) and it is certainly 136? De Kalb Ave       

Yes, I found the record on Ancestry..... do you have access to the Immigration records, or I could send you the image.

Agnes

[YvonneR]

In 1900, Katie (Catherine) is shown as having had 2 children and 1 living(Theodora)

Could this be the other child?

New York City Deaths, 1892-1902
 
Charles Lehmann, age 1 year, 3rd July 1897
Certificate number 19897

Just thought it might be something to look at at the archives

Agnes

[Richard54]

Am I losing the plot ?

1920  at madison St
1910 looks like at Gates Avenue Brooklyn
1900 Riverdale Ave, Yonkers? Westchester ,Kings as boarders

Meanwhile I approach the brick throwing stage with passenger records on a night were my broadband seems to have reverted to dial up speed

                    Richard