Pte. E. Cope of Penallt

[Wendi]

The Power 

[liverpool annie]

Well Peter ... I think I've found you an extra one !!  ( like you don't have enough problems !!  )

MILES, NEHEMIAH

Rank - Private
Regiment/Service - The Buffs (East Kent Regiment)
Unit Text - 8th Bn.
Age - 31
Date of Death - 13/03/1916
Service No - G/3368
Additional information - Son of Nehemiah and Tresure Miles, of Penalt, Mon. Born Penalt.
Casualty Type - Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference - V. C. 8.
Cemetery - LIJSSENTHOEK MILITARY CEMETERY

And then I found this Cole - the only one I could find ..... in Monmouthshire !!

COLE, JOHN JAMES

Rank - Petty Officer
Regiment/Service - Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve
Unit Text - Drake Bn. R.N. Div.
Age - 27
Date of Death - 25/05/1917
Service No - Wales Z/283
Additional information - Son of Henry and the late Margaret Cole, of Abercarn, Monmouthshire.
Casualty Type - Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference - II. L. 4A.
Cemetery - WIMEREUX COMMUNAL CEMETERY

Annie 

[liverpool annie]

1891 Wales Census

Nehemiah Miles 46 Head Penalt Monmouthshire Wales
Emily Miles 18
William Miles 10
Dora Miles 8
Nehemiah Miles 6

RG12 / 4344 Folio 86 Page 5

1901 Wales Census

Martha Williams 61 Head
Nehemiah Miles 16 Nephew Cowman Penalt Monmouthshire Wales

RG13/4926 Folio 19 Page 6

[Lydart]

Thanks for those Annie ... not sure if we are homing in on Pte Cope or not ... but I was looking on the 1901 for Nehemiah and Treasure !!   Can't find them ... even checked Redbrook, Glos, which is sometimes considered to be pasrt of Monmouth ...

Will now look at the 1891 to see where they lived !  I live near Penallt ...

[Lydart]

Found Nehemiah !   He was on the Trelleck census, but it gave his address as Narth, which is about 6 miles from Penallt. 

Thanks Annie ... I expect Peter will be interested ... he may even know about this man as he is researching the war dead of both parishes of Trelleck and Penallt.

[liverpool annie]

Sorry ! ... I didn't put the addresses in or any details did I ??   ( me and my 2 finger typing !! )

I'll write them out proper if you want me to Lydart !!  

[Lydart]

No thats fine, Annie ... I'm sure Peter can check them for himself !

I'm just interested in finding Pte Cope (they had more success with Finding Pte Ryan !) ... I'll leave the rest of the local war dead to Peter !

[warresearcher]

 E.T. (Cope) come home to me!!

I find it ironic that the names have been right under our noses for the last 86 years!!!!!!!!!!! The bottle lists all the fallen and the War memorial Committee members.
Typical.!!!!!
...incidentally I now have one extra name to add to the list as R. England is listed in the Beacon as being one of the village war dead along with Arthur England and named on the list in the bottle BUT he is not named on the church plaque!!
Another mystery!!!
Any ideas?


So if you put something in a bottle ..presumably you do so with the intention of hoping at some stage someone might dig it up and read it.....................
So:

I was thinking that we could dig from the Bush Car park a kind of Stalag 14 escape tunnel under the memorial and then dig upward and retrieve the bottle hidden in the base without any obvious disturbance..........................

I wonder if anyone would do a freebee ground penetrating radar plot of the memorial?


Who do you ask for permission to do archeological digging  of a War memorial?
MCC? Parish Council? CWGC? Church? The local roadsweeper? 

Come to think of it who owns it anyway?

Presumably someone takes responsibility for its upkeep and insurance in case it falls on a passing car or pedestrian.

It is not clear if it (the bottle) is buried right under the very first stone layer that makes up the base in contact with the ground or under the base stone on  which the cross is stood.

Just musing with the idea!!! Very tempting though!!
I presume as it was paid for by the village in 1921, it is owned by the village War Memorial Committee. So we have to contact them to get permission and the only way to find out who they are is to dig up the bottle...CATCH 22!!

Peter

Perhaps someone decided in 1921 that in 2007 they would frustrate me!!

(Another sleepless night spent  tracking down the fallen of WWI)
P.S. Incidentally I was at The Gwent Record Office and they have got a whole bunch of Parish newsletters from 1890 from Penalt Old Church....very informative about life in the village then!! But of course there are no copies that cover WWI!!!!!

[liverpool annie]

So ... Peter ! ... did you already have Nehemiah Miles then ??