Significance of Plumed Hat - Complete

[Keziahemm]

Hi

He had two Gloucestershire Regiment Nos. 241050 and 3224TF, Mack very kindly told me the TF stood for Territorial Force.  He was in India in 1907, I posted a photo on the restoration board of him in the 1st Gloucestershire Regiment cricket team in Lahore.  We don't know the date when he was in Italy.

Hopefully his service records have survived, surname Stroud, so we can find them at Kew.

Regards

Susan 

[themonsstar]

Hi Susan
Going from the Army number 241050, this would put him in the 5th Battalion Gloucester Regiment, I still stand by the lads in the photo are not wearing the Gloucester Regiment Cap Badge.

Do you know the 5th Battalion have a very good book out, its called the "The Fifth Glo'ster Gazette 1915-1919" its a Trench Magazine of the First World War, published in 1993. ISBN 0-7509-0537-9.  It is well worth getting if your man was in the 5th Batt.

[OldBraggs]

Stroud is not on the roll of the 1/5th Battalion as recorded March 1915. There is no mention of him in the 1/5th Glosters Gazette or the Battalion War Diary. He is not listed in the 1/5th's cricket team either.
(The picture of the cricket team in Lahore 1907 is 1st Battalion).

The plumed hat is Italian, obviously borrowed it for a photo.
(Oddly enough, 3 Volunteer Bn of the Gloucestershire Regt did wear a plumed hat early in it's history, but this has nothing to do with them).

The cap badges of the three men in the second photo are not Glosters badges. If that is your man then he was serving with another regiment in Italy.

Steve

[themonsstar]

Hi Steve
The Army No do,s fall in the range of the 5th Batt 240001-265000, hes being 241050, if this is the man she is looking for. As for the badge it looks like the Suffolk Regiment badge.

[Keziahemm]

Hi Steve and Themonsstar

His regiment nos. were from his medal card 372/19

Stroud William C,
Glos. Reg                              Glos. Reg.
No. 3224TF                            241050
Private

We know he was in India in 1907 because of the Cricket photo (1st Gloucestershire Regiment) and another photo taken in Poona also 1907.

We had understood he was in Italy during WWI with the Gloucestershire Regiment.

The visit to Kew we are planning should help.

Regards

Susan 

[themonsstar]

Hi Susan
There are 3 other W.C. Stroud in the medal cards, also a W.Stroud in the Glos Regt, 15522, & W. Stroud 38626 in the Suffolk Regt, Happy hunting at the National Archives

[Keziahemm]

Thank you for pointing us in the right direction, think we have the wrong medal card    Identifying the cap badge as Suffolk Regiment and again speaking to an elderly relative who now says her father may have been in a "London Regiment" during the war! 

The medal card for William Stroud 38626 Suffolk Regiment, on close scrutiny, has in the same box as the word medal "Wm. C" directly under name William! As well as the Victory and British Medal this William Stroud was awarded the Silver War Medal Badge which I just happen to have in my hand 

At least with your help we won't be on a wild goose chase at the NA.

Regards

Susan

[themonsstar]

Hi Susan
If you can post the MIC on here i will give you the file number for the national archives, for when you go there.

[Keziahemm]

Does the file need to be ordered before we go, or is it on film?  Also will this file include all his army records from c1900?

Susan