Drummond Street, London

[waiteohman]

I can see why. It would be Drummond Bank on Charing St. I misread the sight.  I wanted it to work.

Linda

[Gadget]

Hi Linda

I think I might well have found James and his mother and sister on the 1881 - RG11/199 Folio 100 page 24

Living as lodgers at 4 Elizabeth Street, St Pancras

Ellen Clark, lodger, mar, 52, laundress, b. Middlesex, St Pancras
Ellen, d, 9, b. St Pancras
James, s, 7,b. St Pancras

I think that this is a strong possiblility. Ellen and Helen can often get confused. It is also in the same neighbourhood as Drummond Street - and all the other Drummond Streets.  James would have been 7 - his 8th birthday was the following August. You also mentioned that he was a home child. Joseph could have been working away or something.

Gadget

[waiteohman]

Wonderful Gadget. This looks promising. Maybe on the 1871 she is Ellen also intead of Helen and I have the wrong one with the 1871 Helen I have is born Oxfordshire.

Linda

[Gadget]

I've been looking on the 1871 and 1891, Linda, but I'm coming up with blanks at the moment. Do you know anything more about James before WW1?

Gadget 

[waiteohman]

Hi Gadget

In 1890 he came to Canada, I have him on the a passenger list and the 1901 and 1911 census in Palmerston, Ontario. I haven't found him on the 1891 Canada census yet. He arrived in Halifax. He could be anywhere, being in transit. He will only be found on the 1881 British census.

I will see if I can find a death for Joseph Clark between December 1872 and the 1881 census, a marriage of Helen/Ellen Day to a Joseph Clark in this area before 1872 or the birth of the daughter Ellen to see if she also has the father Joseph.

Thanks for your help. It sure helps me not knowing the area.

Linda

[Gadget]

I think this might be the birth registration of Ellen Clark, aged 9 in the 1881:

Ellen Clark, March Q,`1872, Pancras, Vol 1b, page 8.


Gadget

[Gadget]

The nearest that I can find for James is this one, it's possible as Marlylebone was just along from Drummond Street but I'm not too sure about it. There are no suitable registrations for the Dec Q 1873 but registration could have been delayed, not entered into the central GRO register or just not registered at all.

James Clark, Mar Q, 1874, Marylebone, 1a, page 560

Gadget

[Gadget]

There is a death registration for Ellen Clark, Dec Q, 1884, Pancras, Vol 1b, page 116.


Gadget

[Gadget]

Goodness, I do believe I've found Ellen and Joseph in 1861:

RG9/173 Folio 114 page 54

St Giles North, Finsbury, Middlesex

14 Sunker  or Sember(?) Court

Joseph Clark, hd, mar, 38, green grocer, b. Hampshire
Ellen Clark, wife, mar, 32, b. London, Middlesex

Ellen's age gives same approx birth date as the 1881 one.

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Now I am totally and utterly confused. This is what I've found in 1871. It's the same person. His wife is the same age but different name, different place of birth and an 11 year old daughter 

St Giles North, Finsbury
RG10/352 Folio  11 page 16
26 St Earl Street

Joseph Clark, hd,m, 48, Green gorcer Foreman, Hampshire, Christchurch
Margaret, wife, 42, b. Cornwall, Helston
Sophia, d, 11,scholar,  b. Middlesex, Upper Holloway


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I don't see Joseph  or Margaret Clark in 1881

I don't see Margaret Clark in 1861 - maybe she married Joseph afterwards


Gadget