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Stilton baptism 1810-11 - Elizabeth Ashby, please *COMPLETED*
« on: Wednesday 08 November 06 12:55 GMT (UK) »
Dear Rootschatters,

Is it possible to look for the baptism of a girl, Elizabeth, in the PR of St Mary's Stilton, without knowing her surname?

The year is either 1810 or 1811 - quite a narrow range - but the good thing is she has what is probably an unusual middle name, viz "Ashby".

Details of such a baptism (assuming it is unique) would be a big advance in my family history.

Thanks in anticipation,
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Re: Stilton baptism 1810-11 - Elizabeth Ashby, please
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 08 November 06 13:11 GMT (UK) »
Do you have her married name?
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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey/Rook
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey/Rook
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:   Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs: Bourn: Bowd
            Eltisley: Medlock
            Graveley: Ford/Revell

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Re: Stilton baptism 1810-11 - Elizabeth Ashby, please
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 08 November 06 14:31 GMT (UK) »
Do you have her married name?

It's Bradley, but I now think she was married outside the county (after people on this board kindly looked for me and did not find the marriage in Stilton).  Probably married in Middlesex.  But her age and place of birth (Stilton, Hunts) is consistent in all  her census appearances under her married name.

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Edited to get the married name right!
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Re: Stilton baptism 1810-11 - Elizabeth Ashby, please
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 08 November 06 16:45 GMT (UK) »
Unfortunately Stilton parish register is not on the IGI so any computer search, whether by surname or christian name, is academic.

The only way to do it is:
- to hope that someone reading this thread has the Stilton transcript and flicks through baptisms for the appropriate years (quite possible and not onerous as there won't be more than a handful of baptisms a year)
- buy the transcript from Hunts FHS (£7 inc post)
- pay Huntingdon records office to go through the register, but that is likely to be more expensive than buying the transcript and you may then find that you need another Stilton look up to look for earlier generations.
- go to Huntingdon and check the register yourself

Finding the marriage would help - I see that in 1851 their eldest child was 11, and in 1841 who I assume to be them had no children, so I think a marriage c1839/40 seems likely. They were living at St Pancras and there is a marriage on FreeBMD in St Pancras in the June quarter 1839 (vol 1 page 323) where there was John Bradley and Elizabeth Dixon on the same page, although it's impossible to say if Elizabeth was one of the 4 females on that page who married John, other than ordering the certificate, with perhaps a check point that you only want to proceed if the wife is Elizabeth.

But I cannot see any Dixon marriages in Stilton, and there are no burials either so perhaps that marriage is a red herring (but if you're desperate then you have to clutch at straws!). There are two burials of Ashby individuals in Stilton, Elizabeth age 45 on 24 Dec 1801 and William aged 62 on 7 Mar 1821. These look of an age to be Elizabeth's maternal grandparents, but I'm jumping the gun here. One step at a time!

Regards

David

Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey/Rook
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey/Rook
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:   Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs: Bourn: Bowd
            Eltisley: Medlock
            Graveley: Ford/Revell


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Re: Stilton baptism 1810-11 - Elizabeth Ashby, please
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 08 November 06 19:09 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for your help, David.

It's probably best I send off for the transcript - that's a good point of yours that it'll be useful for earlier generations.

May I ask what you found in the 1841 census?  I have the couple in Middlesex with a 1-year-old son and 4-year-old daughter, so probably married just before civil registration began.

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Re: Stilton baptism 1810-11 - Elizabeth Ashby, please
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 08 November 06 20:17 GMT (UK) »
You're right. In 1841 they had daughter Emma 4, so I was looking at the wrong couple and the wrong marriage as well. John was a farrier in 1841 and 1851 so it looks right. But who was the Susannah Negus aged 6 born in county also in the household? There are no Negus marriages or burials in Stilton though.

John was from St Lukes - there's a marriage on the IGI at St Lukes Old St, Finsbury to Elizabeth Mary Ison on 16 July 1836. But again no marriages or burials of an Ison in Stilton (or anywhere else in Hunts).

Pallots marriage index has nothing, other than an entry which seems to rule out the Ison marriage as her name may have been Esther, rather than Elizabeth, a widow and John was 77.

I'm running out of ideas! I think it's got to be the transcript to see if that throws up anything inspirational.

Regards

David
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey/Rook
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey/Rook
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:   Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs: Bourn: Bowd
            Eltisley: Medlock
            Graveley: Ford/Revell

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Re: Stilton baptism 1810-11 - Elizabeth Ashby, please
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 08 November 06 20:49 GMT (UK) »
David, thanks again.

Even negative results help, especially your evidence against the Bradley-Ison marriage.  I'd seen it before and not liked it because of the middle name Mary (no other source has my Elizabeth with this middle name).  My hope is that I can get a maiden name from the Stilton PR and use that to positively identify a marriage in Middlesex (not necessarily one on the IGI).

The Negus child is a mystery, but may be useful if, say, I find a marriage record for a John Bradley and Elizabeth with a Negus as a witness.

Regards,
Stovepipe
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Re: Stilton baptism 1810-11 - Elizabeth Ashby, please
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 14 November 06 15:39 GMT (UK) »
Hi Stovepipe,

I've looked through the baptisms for an Elizabeth in Stilton.  There is
Eliza Jessop 15 April  daug of Thomas and Mary
Eliza Waights (Weights-BT)  13 May  daug of William and Sarah
Elizabeth Ashby  4 Nov daug of William and Susanna
Eliza Mitchel 3 Dec daug of Wm and Ann
All of the above were in 1810.  No Elizabeths for 1811, Ruth

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Re: Stilton baptism 1810-11 - Elizabeth Ashby, please *COMPLETED*
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 14 November 06 19:00 GMT (UK) »
Many thanks, Mooncrystal - the 4 November entry looks very interesting.  Perhaps her family name was Ashby, not just her middle name.

Cheers,
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