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Re: WWI medallion for the dead
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 09 November 06 22:55 GMT (UK) »
Oh Aghadowey

Thank you, thank you.  How dumb am I, I had been to that site 3 or 4 times and had printed out the first page, not realizing there were 42 pages.  Doh!!!  I am sorry to be such a pain, but rest assured you have made this little Aussie very, very happy.  What a find!!!  I shall be in this site all day now getting all the info off for all my boys.

Thank you all so much for all your time and trouble.  I am eternallly grateful.

Very best regards

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Re: WWI medallion for the dead
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 09 November 06 23:22 GMT (UK) »
The Australian WWI records online are fantastic. Glad you found the site and can now search for the rest of your family.
Away sorting out DNA matches... I may be gone for some time many years!

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Re: WWI medallion for the dead
« Reply #20 on: Friday 10 November 06 09:39 GMT (UK) »
Hi Guys

I just spent a wonderful day going through all the records.  What a brilliant site!!  One on my Great Uncles was docked two days pay for trotting a horse on a cobbled street?? ???  I couldn't believe it, and another was treated twice for being gased, which I never new about.  These records are brilliant.  I now have do much more information on them than I ever dreamed of, thank you all so much.  I am really stoked. 

My appreciation goes to all of you who helped me, thank you again, so much

Lones
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OBrien/Brien, Cork
Dunstan, Stithians Corwall
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Re: WWI medallion for the dead
« Reply #21 on: Friday 10 November 06 12:53 GMT (UK) »
Hi Folks,

I do some voluntary photography for the British War Memorial Project and I wondered why, in many cases, the 'Dead Man's Penny' mounted on gravestones was missing from it's mount.

I must admit, it never crossed my mind that these could have been prized off by someone in order to make a few bob on Ebay.

How low can people stoop?

I personally find it appaling.

Anne.


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« Reply #22 on: Friday 10 November 06 14:09 GMT (UK) »
Hi Folks,

I do some voluntary photography for the British War Memorial Project and I wondered why, in many cases, the 'Dead Man's Penny' mounted on gravestones was missing from it's mount.

I must admit, it never crossed my mind that these could have been prized off by someone in order to make a few bob on Ebay.

How low can people stoop?

I personally find it appaling.

Anne.


the plaques don't have a mount and they are VERY rarely mounted on gravestones (i have never seen one having visited more cemeteries than most)

so please don't be under the misapprehension that every plaque on ebay is stolen

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« Reply #23 on: Friday 10 November 06 16:20 GMT (UK) »
I maybe didn't explain myself very well . . . .

In Scotland it's very common to have these DMP's mounted on gravestones.

I have found many where it's quite obvious that there had been a DMP mounted on the stone - in fact sometimes two. (see attached photo).

Maybe having them on servicemen/women's family memorials is only a Scottish tradition?

Anne

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« Reply #24 on: Friday 10 November 06 16:40 GMT (UK) »

i would have thought that most of the men commemorated on a plaques would also have a standard CWGC headstone, and i don't believe there is an option for adding the plaque

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Re: WWI medallion for the dead
« Reply #25 on: Friday 10 November 06 17:02 GMT (UK) »
Here in Canada it is known as "The Dead  Man's Penny".
I loaned my great uncle's,this year to the Local Legion for their display.
They kindly had it cleaned and boxed ,me having used it all these years as a "paper weight.
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I understand they were not well received.Many were lost in the mail,others outright refused to accept them.Referring to them as :"The Dead Man's Penny".

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« Reply #26 on: Friday 10 November 06 17:07 GMT (UK) »
I believe that the families of the men had the choice of whether or not they wanted a CWGC stone.

I'm only talking about family memorials, not CWG ones, so I'd agree with you there, but these are all standardised to an extent anyway.

I've found hundreds of servicemen/women in local cemeteries across Stirlingshire who although are listed on CWGC or BWMP , are not listed as having a memorial other than the general memorial plaques in France, Belgium etc.

The CWGC stones are obviously much easier to find when trawling through graveyards or cemeteries but personally, I think that family memorials bring a wee bit more perspective to these brave souls - rather than just a name, rank and service number. I would say, in general, only about 10%-15% of the men I've found have CWGC stones.

I would imagine that eventually all the information from family memorials will be added to both the CWGC and the BWMP site as it's collated and double checked. I know a huge percentage of these won't be buried in these actual lairs but it's nice to see their names in amongst the rest of their family.

Anne