Ship owners - Sunderland & South Shields

[Westoe]

According to their monumental inscription in Westoe Cemetery, Ann (Thompson) LEE died 26 March 1878.

I'm not yet convinced that she is actually buried there (as opposed to being commemorated there) because I have not yet found her death registration or her burial entry. Can anyone help?

BINGO!! No, she is not buried there. Yes!, after visiting her brother in Canada in 1877, she *did* go on to Indiana to visit Carrie.

[Cherielynn]

I have made yet another request to find the burial of Annie Thompson Lee. Through DNA testing we have found a match to a Kidd family who lived near Newry which was where John Kidd's wife Mary Jane Hutton was from. I wish that any of our Lee and or Thompson cousins would also test and then we could triangulate and maybe learn more on the early ancestry.

Happy New Year to all, Cherie Lynn

[Cherielynn]

See on findagrave that I have update Annie Thompson Lee's page. She died March 22

Archives wrote: "...We found the following entry in "Indianapolis Marion County, Indiana Mortality
Record, 1 September 1872- 31 December 1881" by Jane E. Darlington (Genealogy
Division, 977.202 I388da): Name:  Anna Lee; Age:  58; Nativity:   England; Sex:
F ; Color:  W; Marriage Status:  Widow; Cause of death:  Uterine Cancer; Date: 
22 March 1878;  Duration of Illness:  2 months; Address:  781 N Illinois; 
Physician:    Featherstone; Undertaker:   Weaver; Cemetery:  Crown Hill..."
"...The Indianapolis News Friday Evening March 22, 1878, there is a death entry on
the front page for Anna Lee, also shown as Mrs. Henry Lee, Mother of Mrs. John
Kidd, from South Shields England.    No cemetery is listed, but a Rev. A.
Bradley was the officiating minister..."

I will order the originals.

For John Kidd and Mary Jane Hutton Kidd, I have found the death notice for who I believe is the stepmother (could possibly be mother but see below likely not) Susan maiden name unknown, wife of James Hutton Pawnbroker of Newry, 1850. Earlier in 1824 the same year that Mary Jane Hutton Kidd was born, Jane Bradford Hutton, wife of James Hutton pawnbroker of Newry died and was buried at the Presbyterian Graveyard, Newry.

More coming records ordered.

[Westoe]

Hello CherieLynn,

Splendid work. After learning from the gravestone that she was interred in Indianapolis, your cousins considered sending for a search-and-copy of the death certificate, but were put off by Marion County's insistence that you send them your personal ID (actual ID documents!, not just your name and address). Somewhat bizarre and paranoid for a copy of a 145 year old document that is public domain.

There is such a story between the lines heres when you put yourself in Ann Lee's shoes. Her husband was gone, her elder son gone, her parents gone, her only surviving sibling and two of her daughters far, far away and she had terminal cancer. Of course she wanted to see her daughters again before she died. We had always suspected that the visit to Joseph in Toronto was *not* her prime reason for crossing the Atlantic at her stage of life. Very likely she had hopes that the disease would progress more slowly, hopes of moving on from Carrie's when spring came, travelling overland by train to San Francisco, to take ship for New Zealand and see Harriet again. That winter must have been very painful for her.

I'll see what I can do about the requests in your PM.

Cheers,
Westoe

[Westoe]

P.S. Cherielynn,

There are actually inscriptions on other faces of the plinth that Mr. Hartman's photographs don't show you and aren't mentioned on his website:
a) also buried in that plot are Ann (Thompson) Lee's youngest sibling, Evan (the medical student who died of tuberculosis), and her elder son, Henry Lee jr. (Harry), who fell from scaffolding in the shipyard
b) also commemorated on that stone is Ann (Thompson) Lee's sister Mary Ann (Thompson) Henzell with the notation "interred Liverpool".

Cheers,
Westoe

[Westoe]

Hello Cherie Lynn,
Hello Terry,

Are you still with us, Terry? I'm a bit worried; you haven't been signed in here since last July. I hope that just means that you are busy and not unwell, but then ... you haven't replied to my PM's either.

So ... what I am going to do is email you both directly with a packet of attachments from your Thompson cousins. The attachments are legitimate and I think you will find them very interesting.

While the good times lasted, your ancestresses, Caroline and Harriet, lived high, with money to burn. They went to posh boarding schools in London so that they would have "cultured" rather than "Geordie" accents, and when they came home on vacations, they slept in French bedsteads. (Smile) Any idea what those were? Here's an image:


Very feminine, wouldn't you say, or perhaps today's expression would be "very girlie-girl".

They did also take a share in "good works" and you'll find them assisting their mother and maternal grandmother at a charity bazaar.

Cheers,
Westoe

[Cherielynn]

How wonderful! Love the bed. What few snippets of info that came down through the family was that they, the English family, were quite refined. I have found the graves of two of Carrie's children but my great grandfather still eludes me. I search every two months for new places with death records. There was a man who died in Oklahoma in 1929 and another in San Francisco in 1935 that I have found and I will have to get those records and see if him. But with Ernest changing his name, and Sherman changing his name, then I have to wonder if Harry did too.

Thank you again Westoe!

Cherie Lynn (yes, I hope Terry will find us again)

[Cherielynn]

Westoe: Thank you. I keep staring at them all, the pics of people. Comparing with those from "Black Wolf". Looking at EDT and Joseph Logan and then the girls, I almost wonder how much of the face of Annie and her mother that we see.

I emailed to Terry, I will update if/when I hear.

I expect the post from the Indiana Archives any day now. But with this snow storm, I won't go check the box today.

Thank you again, Cherie

[Cherielynn]

Not sure where I am on the site but I will try to share this info for family. If I do not do something correctly it is because of a lake of knowledge and I will certainly correct anything that is needed.

The records are in the Genealogy Division of the Indiana State Library and are all public records.

The death record comes from "Indianapolis, Marion County, Indiana Mortality Record 1 September 1872 - 31 December 1881" Compiled by Jane Eaglesfield Darlington. Page 287

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The Obit is from The Indianapolis News Friday 22 March 1878 Page 1.

Lee - This (Friday) morning at the residence of her daughter, Mrs. John Kidd, 781 North Illinois street, Mrs. Henry Lee, of South Shields, England, aged 58 years. Services at the home at 10 o'clock Saturday morning. Officiating minister, Rev. E A Bradley. (The Revd Bradley was the rector of Christ Church of Indianapolis for many years.