Ship owners - Sunderland & South Shields

[TKidd]

Hello Westoe,
The card I have from Rowland to my Grandfather via N.Z. dated feb. 1922 is signed by Rowland no mention of his wife and on the same card a meesage from Marion to my father and aunt. As you say he was in sales and moved quite a lot.
Regards Terry

[Westoe]

Hello Terry,

Erm ... just so's I'm clear .... is that a "No" answer to my question? I haven't found his death yet, just got it down to sometime 1924-1942.

Cheers,
Westoe

[TKidd]

Yes Westoe that is a no but I will go through what I have left of the cards, unfortunatley they were in a fire so what I have is limited, plus not all of my Grandfathers posessions came to me.
Terry

[TKidd]

Hello Westoe,
I have checked all my Grandfathers cards etc and found only one other from Rowland predated the one with Marion at two and half years old.The only other sibling who was in contact was Hubert and he did not mention any of his brothers or sister so I can not help regarding the date of Rowlands death.
Regards Terry

[Westoe]

From Ancestry:
Hubert went to Canada on the steamship NIAGARA from Sydney, Australia arriving 27 April, 1914 at Victoria, British Columbia, and the next day at Vancouver, British Columbia. When did he leave Canada?

Cheers,
Westoe

[TKidd]

Hello Westoe,
Sorry for delay we have been away for a month. I have checked the cards and info that I have none state when he left Canada. The only comment on Hubert is that my father Hubert Alfred mentioned to me that Hubert owned a very substantial property in England and if he is right I had the pleasure in staying in that property at a young age in about 1952 at the time my Grandmothers Sister and Husband lived at the property.
Regards Terry

[Westoe]

Hi JULIAN
Your friend is correct
George Havelock of Guisbrough, North Riding of Yorkshire married a Barry, a relation of the Barry family of Whitby Shipowners. They had three sons and three daughters. His second son Willliam Havelock settled in Sunderland c. 1758, he died 10th Oct. 1777.
William Havelock lived in a large house in Silver Street, Sunderland, and was one of the towns major  ship-owners. He married Anne Longboatham, the daughter of Jacob Longboatham, of Guisborough
They had three sons and four daughters, the youngest was Anne Havelock who married James Lee. Their eldest son William Havelock (1757-1837), of Ford Hall, married Jane Carter, 16th Aug. 1787, and they had five sons, the second of which was the famous Sir Henry Havelock K.C.B. (1795-1857).
So Anne Havelock Lee was the aunt of Sir Henry.
Stan

Did that William Havelock Lee (whose name I have bolded in Stan's message above) have a son also named William Havelock Lee who became a master mariner? I have come across one from Sunderland named so being off the coast of Denmark in June 1845.

Cheers,
Westoe

[Westoe]

Hello again, Terry,

In further reply to your question, Hubert is listed as single when he arrived back in California from Auckland on the MARIPOSA 16 May 1936. He was 40 that year - probably a confirmed bachelor by then.

In 1937, he was still with the Canadian Bank of Commerce - that's a 21-year, at least, career with the same employer. Perhaps that bank has an archives?

Cheers,
Westoe

[TKidd]

Hello Westoe,
The reason why I asked on the one card showing the town he was in 1917 he states the window marked with an x is our window but you answered that because he travelled with colleagues and they were  put up by his manager. I will try to find the property in Baldock my aunt and uncle lived, wether I can trace any of the owners is another matter.
Terry