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Offline purplemoon

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Help needed please!
« on: Sunday 29 October 06 20:06 GMT (UK) »
I really could use a fresh pair of eyes if anyone has access to census returns please?

I am trying to research my CONNELLEY branch but just to make life difficult spelling is inconsistant and I've found it written as CONNOLLY, CONNELLY and even CONOLY at various times!  ::)

And as if that wasn't bad enough, I also have four direct generations of John's to deal with!

Starting at the top I have John CONNELLY b. circa 1834 in Ireland who I think I've found on the 1841 census as a 7 yr old living with other siblings and parents John and Catherine in Leeds. He married Ann O'NEIL (also from Ireland) sometime around 1853-4 but I can't trace a marriage for them anywhere. Their first son John was born 29 Aug 1855.

John (b.1834) was a Royal Artillery Gunner and their first two sons, John and James were born in Woolwich, Kent where he was based. I've found John in 1861 on a special return for army personnel in Dover, Kent but no trace of Ann or the boys.

I was recently given information, from a relative who tried to search for them many years ago, that John served in Gibraltar 1866-71 and was found on the pay roll of the 10th Battalion in records at Kew, but unfortunately I don't have a copy of that. Two further children Arthur and Elizabeth were born in Gibraltar during this time, but again I can't find any trace of them anywhere.

The same relative also told me she'd found wife Ann CONNOLLY in 1881 living in Union Street (I presume in Cleckheaton but could possibly be Heckmondwike or Liversedge too) with children James, Arthur and Elizabeth - again I've failed to find them also.

I've found son John CONNELLY b. 1855 and wife Catherine (HEALEY) together with their son John b. 1879 in Cleckheaton in 1881, and I've also found brother James and his family in Cleckheaton 1891 and 1901.

Another marriage record which eludes me is John CONNELLEY b.1879 and Mary WALKER, although I've found them together with 10mo son Fred living with Mary's parents in 1901, again in Cleckheaton.


Apologies for such a lengthy post but I've spent all weekend trawling Ancestry, FreemBMD and IGI trying to find all the relevant records/details but I think I'm just going around in circles now and have finally admitted defeat  :-[


Just to recap - what I would really like to find out is ...

1) where Ann and children John and James were during 1861;

2) to find the 1881 census I was told had Ann and children James, Arthur and Elizabeth living in or near Cleckheaton (I'm assuming John senior had died by then);

3)to know whether John and Ann actually married over here or in Ireland (if that is my John in 1841 then presumably they married over here)

and finally ...

4) to try and locate both John and Ann with their respective families in 1851 (they'd have been approx 16/17 yo by then) assuming they were in the UK at that time of course.

If anyone can help in any way that would be fantastic and might just about save what little sanity I have left!  ;D

Paula
Baker, Thompson, Lomas, Ikin - Middlewich, Cheshire; (Baker) Stockton, Durham
Fradley, Hall, Weaver, Pargeter - Stone, Staffordshire; Middlewich, Cheshire
McGuin, Gallagher, Bogan, McKew - Huddersfield, Bradford, Yorkshire; Nottingham; Bacup, Rochdale, Lancashire; Ireland
Mellor, Lammyman, Pearson - Huddersfield, Dewsbury, Wakefield, Hull, Yorkshire
Connelley, Little, Walker, Starkey - Cleckheaton, Dewsbury, Bradford, Yorkshire; Co Monaghan, Ireland

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Re: Help needed please!
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 29 October 06 20:32 GMT (UK) »
Hi Paula,

Have found a different spelling for you :P

On the 1881 census, you will find Ann, Arthur, Elizabeth and James in Cleckheaton with the surname Connerley.  The ref is RG11/4429, Folio 61, Page 32.

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Bladen (Tipton, & Yorks), Teece, Cooke(Coalville), Stott (Staffs), Carr, Armitage, Henrickson, Lisle (Yorks), Pailing, Stott, Leach, Davies (Llanasa), Taylor, McDonald, Garry, Brackenbury, Brand, Rewston
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« Reply #2 on: Sunday 29 October 06 20:40 GMT (UK) »
Hi Purplemoon

I just typed this up but  Kath has just beaten me to it ;D  ;D   but, I'm going ahead with post  as the exact details  may help with the other queries you have:

1881: Cleckheaton, Yorkshire
REF: RG11 -  Piece: 4429 -  Folio: 61 -  Page: 32 ( RD: Bradford)
ADDRESS: Union St
Head: Ann CONNOLEY, wid,  47, Formerley Laundress, b County Monaghan
Son: James CONNOLEY, 24, unm, Blacksmith, Woolich (sic) Kent
SOn: Arthur CONNOLEY, 17, unm, Card Dresser (stuff), b Gibralter (British Subject)
Dau: Elizabeth CONNOLEY 14, Mill Hand Textile, b Gibralter (British Subject)

The way their surname is written it could be taken as CONNERLEY, but looking at it, is I am sure, CONNOLEY.

Cheers   ;D ;D
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« Reply #3 on: Sunday 29 October 06 20:44 GMT (UK) »
Blimey!!! how on earth did you two find that so quickly!!!  :P

Do you know how many hours I've spent searching LOL! I was beginning t think they never even existed  ::)

That's fantastic, thank you so much  ;D
Baker, Thompson, Lomas, Ikin - Middlewich, Cheshire; (Baker) Stockton, Durham
Fradley, Hall, Weaver, Pargeter - Stone, Staffordshire; Middlewich, Cheshire
McGuin, Gallagher, Bogan, McKew - Huddersfield, Bradford, Yorkshire; Nottingham; Bacup, Rochdale, Lancashire; Ireland
Mellor, Lammyman, Pearson - Huddersfield, Dewsbury, Wakefield, Hull, Yorkshire
Connelley, Little, Walker, Starkey - Cleckheaton, Dewsbury, Bradford, Yorkshire; Co Monaghan, Ireland


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« Reply #4 on: Sunday 29 October 06 20:51 GMT (UK) »
Hi again,
Sorry should have said, Connerley, is how Ancestry have transcribed the name, not how it looks on the census ;D

There is a marriage registration with both a John Conley and a Mary Walker in the qtr Oct-Dec 1899, Dewsbury, 9b, 1129.  I realise that this is not the registration district for Cleckheaton, but did Mary come from Dewsbury perchance?

Kath
Bladen (Tipton, & Yorks), Teece, Cooke(Coalville), Stott (Staffs), Carr, Armitage, Henrickson, Lisle (Yorks), Pailing, Stott, Leach, Davies (Llanasa), Taylor, McDonald, Garry, Brackenbury, Brand, Rewston
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« Reply #5 on: Sunday 29 October 06 21:10 GMT (UK) »
Mary was born in Flockton, although I think off the top of my head that the family were living in Liversedge at the time, so I was looking for possibly Wakefield or Dewsbury district so it may well be the right marriage. It certainly fits with the birth of their first child in June 1900.

Thank you so much, you're a star!!! ;D
Baker, Thompson, Lomas, Ikin - Middlewich, Cheshire; (Baker) Stockton, Durham
Fradley, Hall, Weaver, Pargeter - Stone, Staffordshire; Middlewich, Cheshire
McGuin, Gallagher, Bogan, McKew - Huddersfield, Bradford, Yorkshire; Nottingham; Bacup, Rochdale, Lancashire; Ireland
Mellor, Lammyman, Pearson - Huddersfield, Dewsbury, Wakefield, Hull, Yorkshire
Connelley, Little, Walker, Starkey - Cleckheaton, Dewsbury, Bradford, Yorkshire; Co Monaghan, Ireland

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« Reply #6 on: Sunday 29 October 06 21:11 GMT (UK) »
A possible for the 1851 census:

No 7 Brook Street, Leeds - H0107/2319, Folio 399, page 4
John Connley, Visitor, U, 17, Cloth Dyer, Ireland
(In the household of James Forster and family)

Bladen (Tipton, & Yorks), Teece, Cooke(Coalville), Stott (Staffs), Carr, Armitage, Henrickson, Lisle (Yorks), Pailing, Stott, Leach, Davies (Llanasa), Taylor, McDonald, Garry, Brackenbury, Brand, Rewston
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« Reply #7 on: Sunday 29 October 06 23:18 GMT (UK) »
Ooooo I wonder if that might be him, it ties in with him possibly being in Leeds in 1841 and presumably before he signed up to the Royal Artillery. I'll have to see if I can find whom I believe to be his parents, John and Catherine, elsewhere without him.

One thing I have noticed though, which is rather freaky  :o ... there's a Gallagher family living next door that I think are mine from a completely different line and on my mother's side (the Connelley's are my dad's family!) and are ones I've been searching for! ;D

Thanks so much for all your help  :-*
Baker, Thompson, Lomas, Ikin - Middlewich, Cheshire; (Baker) Stockton, Durham
Fradley, Hall, Weaver, Pargeter - Stone, Staffordshire; Middlewich, Cheshire
McGuin, Gallagher, Bogan, McKew - Huddersfield, Bradford, Yorkshire; Nottingham; Bacup, Rochdale, Lancashire; Ireland
Mellor, Lammyman, Pearson - Huddersfield, Dewsbury, Wakefield, Hull, Yorkshire
Connelley, Little, Walker, Starkey - Cleckheaton, Dewsbury, Bradford, Yorkshire; Co Monaghan, Ireland

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« Reply #8 on: Monday 30 October 06 10:49 GMT (UK) »
Wow, if that is your Gallagher family living next door, that is definitely spooky :o

I didn't have any luck with the 1861 details for Ann and the children or for John's and Ann's marriage, hopefully somebody else will have better luck, if not I will have another go when I get chance :P

Regards,

Kath
Bladen (Tipton, & Yorks), Teece, Cooke(Coalville), Stott (Staffs), Carr, Armitage, Henrickson, Lisle (Yorks), Pailing, Stott, Leach, Davies (Llanasa), Taylor, McDonald, Garry, Brackenbury, Brand, Rewston
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk