PAYNE Families

[signalman]

HI ALL , looking for the payne families of Little Hulton who were miners from Shropshire (Dawley ) they settled in Bridgewater St and Worseley Rd ,Theophilus Payne became a greengrocer in Worseley Rd on the 1901 census ,though not strictly related to me but to my wife Christine Shepherd , we have a copy of a page from the family bible starting with James Payne (originally the name was pain ,then Paine) who married an Ester Chilton (I think) and they had 18 children of which 3 died young,I would love to know if any Paynes are still up there in Lancashire .  Signalman

[Tony Payne]

I have heard of Theophilus Payne before I am sure during my web searches on the Paynes.  Not sure if it was you who posted, but if you Google you might find something.

I'm jealous of one thing - Theophilus is a rare name - most of my Paynes are either James or John for one generation after another.... it gets very confusing.

Happy hunting.

[signalman]

HI TONY ,,well all of my Paynes came from Shropshire , not only did we have those names in the family but we had Isiaah ,Isaac and some other biblical names . Signalman

[frenchdressing]

Hi signalman,
On the marriage cert of my very elusive gt grandmother Sarah Payne born 1860, her father is George Payne a tile maker.
Her husband John Jones was a coal miner born in in 1885 they were living in Tyldesley, Lancs which is only about 3 miles from Little Hulton.
I've now got reason to believe that she too came from Shropshire as when she died  in 1900 her baby son Samuel was looked after by the Stanley family from Dawley Salop.
Do you think that she could be part of your wife's Payne family?
Regards,
Pat

[signalman]

HI FRENCHIE, This is possible that your Paynes and our Paynes are one and the same ,our SARAH PAYNE was born in october 1841 however Little Hulton in Lancs does strike a chord as William Payne   and Mary (who married Benjamin Rowley) were both miners as was Theophilus brother of William although Theo in 1901 had gone into business as a Greengrocer in i think Worsely Rd . It would be interesting to compare notes via e-mail . Signalman

[Tisy]

Hi all Paynes,

Saw your correspondence and just thought I'd add this -

My gg grandfather, Abraham Wild (1819) was an 1820 Settler to South Africa. He married Ann (Annie) Payne, daughter of Elisha Payne who was also an 1820 Settler. Have a look at the settler parties on the 1820Settler.com website - it just struck me when I say that some of the Paynes had biblical names!

Happy hunting!

Tisy

[holmsie]

My mother had a cousin who was a Payne, Florence who then married a Wallwork.
She lived in Hodge Road in Walkden.  My mother was a Jones from Dawley Shropshire

Freda

[Tony Payne]

Hi Tisy and Freda,

Good to have you on the thread.

The PAYNES are a frustrating bunch - seems that there are so many of us all over England that are in the same area but not necessarily related, well at least not unless you go back to the mid 1700's or earlier, and then the records are sketchy and of course not online.

A lot of people had biblical names going back, more country people I think, although I could be wrong.

If you know anything more about your Payne ancestors please post it, it would be nice to try and find a link.  You just never know what you might find..

[Tisy]

Hi Tom,

Ann Payne was my great-great grandmother.  She was born in 1823 in the Eastern Cape of South Africa, probably somewhere near Grahamstown in the Albany District, and was the daughter of Elisha Payne (1820 Settler) born 1795 in England and Annie Hall born 1795 in England (1820 Settler).  She died 29 April 1896 at Wooldridge, Peddie District, Eastern Cape, South Africa.  This is where I grew up.

She married Abraham Wild (born 1814 at Shaw, Oldham, England) (1820 Settler) and they had eight children, one of whom was Henry William Wild born 18 March 1864 who was my great-grandfather.

I am not sure where the Paynes came from in England, but will go into the 1820 Settler records and come back to you with this.  The 1820 Settler story is an interesting one - they were a group of almost 5000 people who were recruited from all over the British Isles to migrate to South Africa.  After the Napoleonic War ended there were many unemployed people in the U.K. and this was a good way of dealing with the problem.  As with all migrations, they had an incredible struggle to get on their feet.  Do go into the 1820Settler.com website - it is worth a look.