Australian birth

[tropicalj]

hello  there


well thats good  that the birth  that Christine  found  is  the correct  one 
no  unfortunately the  index  only  have  the  year  not  the actual  date  you would  have  to obtain a copy of the certificate

have you estimated or  now what  year  the family  came  to Australia

was thomas standard born  in Australia  or the UK??

regards jenn

[tropicalj]

Jenn - you have the correct George Stannard in :-

George died 1970 Reg. 5589 - his parents are the correct ones - do you know his date of birth please?  His mother was originally Ellen Wigglesworth-Clarkson, reason being she was illegitimate and her father's name was Wigglesworth, mother Clarkson.  Her mother then married a man by the name of George Goodall, so she obviously took on his surname.  It looks like George was born out of wedlock then before Ellen married Thomas Stannard.

Silas

hello
I am a bit lost with  your  comment  about  him  being born out  of wed lock  did  they  marry  after  they  arrived here? 
bit  confused

checked  the war record  married  in uk  in 1919  he was an aussie  so  george  would be legitimate

regards jenn

[ChristineR]

So  thi  birth  that Christine  has  found  one  would  assume only  that  it is  the crorrect son George
BUT

Thomas William Stannard  war record  says  born Campberdown    1895 and  he has served in WW1 in Australia

so  is  there two  families with  extremly similar names or what

regards Jenn

This would be George's brother, not his father?

ChristineR

[Silas]

Yes Jenn, they left for Australia in about 1920, but why are the parent's names on the birth certificate different, eg. Goodall for mother and Stannard for father if they were married?  That's why I thought George was born out of wedlock.  Haven't yet found out where Thomas Stannard was born, but think it was Australia (not 100% sure though).

Christine - I will have to think about your query - not very experienced at all this yet - sorry.

Silas

[tropicalj]

hello  Christine

cant  figure this comment  out  "George"S  brother ?

also silas  the birth certificate  has  fathers name and  mother maiden name on  them  hence her not being Stannard

It  looks  like  Thomas Stannard was an aussie  and went
  to enland  either during  the war or  just after married  the  marriage certificate details are on  the  war record and brought  his bride  back  to australia  where  they  had George  in 1920
He  may  have come back  with  the Australian forces  and she  has come a  bit  later  have a  good read  of Thomas William Stannards war record I can give  you  his birth details
the birth of  george  has  the mothers  name  as Clarkson  but  the death has  Goodall

Now  if  you  want Dorrens details  you could get a copy of either Thomas or Ellen death certificate  and it  will list  the details of children  living and deceased

regards jenn

[tropicalj]

hello  there Silas

John Henry Stannard  born  england  married Mary Elizabeth Ward born Kingstown ireland in Victoria 1894 reg no 2745

children born  to  this couple at Camperdown

John William  reg no 1586  (this appears  to be Thomas William he may  have allways  been called Thomas )   

Elsie born 1898 reg no 16919 died camperdown 1983 reg no 18902 died as Stannard so may be not married

Mary Elizabeth Reeves  born 1896 died 9594 died as Cooper 1966 reg no 26732

Mary Elizabeth Stannard died aged 86  1947 at lismore reg no 20937
parents John William Ward and Mary Peat

John Thomas Henry Stannard died aged 77 at Lismore reg no 14532
parents Thomas William Stannard and Eliza Louise Reeve

by the war record for Thomas William Stannard  he was born  in Camperdown  in 1895 and  his  father was John

regards jenn

[sparrett]

Sorry if I am being repetitive, but George's birth date which everyone wants to know is in my reply no. 23. from his headstone at the cemetery.
21/4/1920
Isn't it?
Sue

[ChristineR]

hello  Christine

cant  figure this comment  out  "George"S  brother ?...regards jenn

 
moment of dumbness - there is 25 years gap there between ages.
They both went to war in WW2 - not uncommon.

ChristineR

[ChristineR]

Yes Jenn, they left for Australia in about 1920, but why are the parent's names on the birth certificate different, eg. Goodall for mother and Stannard for father if they were married?  That's why I thought George was born out of wedlock.  Haven't yet found out where Thomas Stannard was born, but think it was Australia (not 100% sure though).

Christine - I will have to think about your query - not very experienced at all this yet - sorry.

Silas

Forget the brother comment  moment of dumbness!

Now, (as Jenn says) I think you have got the death of George mixed up with the birth index entry - the birth says his mother's name is Ellen CLARKSON, the death says Ellen GOODALL.  Death entries are commonly wrong on mother's maiden names.

George Stannard
birth registered Camperdown 1920
father - John William
mother - Ellen CLARKSON
reg number: 10010

The index is recorded with the mother's maiden name - nothing to do with being married or not.  Also there is the added confusion of his father's name being down as John Stannard, not Thomas - but that could be a transcription error - Thos can read like Jno in the old handwriting. 

ChristineR