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Re: Malcolms of Dundee
« Reply #9 on: Friday 02 October 09 10:01 BST (UK) »
Hi All

There are a number of trees on the line of James Malcom and Catherine Key on Ancestry. One of them shows James Malcolm as having died on 27 Feb 1854 and buried at the Howff in Dundee. This could probably be verified on www.fdca.org.uk/FDCAHowffInfo.html  Given the possible death was just before the start of official registration, it will not most likely include any parents' info for him.

Fiona, these trees also include two more children from the last marriage to Elizabeth Johnstone: Edwin Malcolm b. 1852 and Catherine E. Malcolm b. 1854. From the family's 1861 entry, everyone born in Dundee unless shown:

Elizabeth Malcolm 42 b. Balmerino, Fifeshire
Agnes Malcolm 23
Helen Malcolm 23
Jane Malcolm 20
Isabella Malcolm 18
John Malcolm 11
Edwin Malcolm 9
Catherine E Malcolm 7 b. Newport, Fifeshire
Mary A Brunton 25, servant

Address: 1 Nelson St,  Dundee

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Re: Malcolms of Dundee
« Reply #10 on: Friday 02 October 09 10:13 BST (UK) »
Just as a possibility, with James' first son being named George (from his first marriage), there is this IGI entry:

JAMES MALCOLM Birth:21 JAN 1801/ Christening: 25 JAN 1801 Dundee, Angus
Parents: GEORGE MALCOLM and CATHARINE SIMSON

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Re: Malcolms of Dundee
« Reply #11 on: Friday 02 October 09 12:37 BST (UK) »
Thanks for all that Monica.  Didn't know about the other two children from the third marriage.
Will keep looking for James' forebears but your suggestion looks possible.
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Re: Malcolms of Dundee
« Reply #12 on: Monday 18 January 10 06:08 GMT (UK) »
Dear FST,snonwolf and ev,
I am also looking for a John Malcolm who married on 11/6/1852 in Dundee,Scotland to a Catherine Stewart Findlay(nee Barrie).
She was a widow and had 1 baby daughter Agnes Findlay. They emigrated to Australia in 1853 and I have their history here.
Any help on Malcolms line.
Thanks,Carolyn
my great grandfather charles was born illegitimately, to ann malcolm and charles findlay, in 1856. whilst he did not acknowledge the child, she put his name on birth certificate and called him charles after him.
i have reasons to believe that charles and john are related, and it was common after marriage for the families in this case findlay and malcolm and to get closer.  ann malcolm was born to robert malcolm and catherine nicoll in 1836, son of robert malcolm and janet elder. all on igi. catherine nicoll was daughter of james and helen butterworth.


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Re: Malcolms of Dundee
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 20 January 10 19:53 GMT (UK) »
Quote from: rob mcnaughton[quote
my great grandfather charles was born illegitimately, to ann malcolm and charles findlay, in 1856. whilst he did not acknowledge the child, she put his name on birth certificate and called him charles after him.

That is not possible.

The Regulations under the provisions of the 35th section of the Registration Act state: "In the case of an illegitimate child, the Registrar must not enter the name of any person as the father, unless at the joint personal request of the mother and of the person acknowledging himself to be the father, who, under these circumstances, shall sign the Register, as informant, along with the child's mother, and shall be registered as the father, the word Illegitimate being added to the child's name."

In other words, the law does not allow the mother of an illegitimate child to put the name of the father on a birth certificate unless he acknowledges the child by accompanying her in person when she goes to register the birth, and signing the birth certificate alongside her.

It is, of course, perfectly possible for her to name her child after its father, even if the father does not acknowledge the child, and in fact that is quite common when the child is a boy.

If a court subsequently finds the paternity of an illegitimate child whose father has not acknowledged paternity at the time of registration, an entry is made in the Register of Corrected Entries, and cross-referenced from the original birth certificate. The original certificate is not altered.
Never trust anything you find online (especially submitted trees and transcriptions on Ancestry, MyHeritage, FindMyPast and other commercial web sites) unless it's an image of an original document - and even then be wary because errors can and do occur.

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Re: Malcolms of Dundee
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 25 February 10 19:30 GMT (UK) »
Forfarian ... although quite correct in its content, that was a bit of an abrupt response :o :o

You could have at least have done the RootsChatter the courtesy of addressing him by name or username and started with a "Sorry, but ... " and then gone on to explain why.


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Re: Malcolms of Dundee
« Reply #15 on: Friday 06 May 11 07:13 BST (UK) »
I have a booklet that came from St. Peter's Church in Dundee and it was a gift from the Minister to L. Malcolm in 1845.  I was wondering who L. Malcolm might have been?  Thank you!

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Re: Malcolms of Dundee
« Reply #16 on: Friday 06 May 11 10:10 BST (UK) »
Hmmm.

A quick look at the 1841 census at http://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl reveals only four L Malcolms, none of them in Dundee.
Lewis Malcolm, 10, Cumbernauld, Dunbartonshire
Lilias Malcolm, 2, Rutherglen, Lanarkshire
Lindsay Malcolm, 20, Kilconquhar, Fife
Louisa Malcolm, 23 Fraserburgh, Aberdeenshire

The 1851 census isn't on FreeCEN - maybe someone with access to another transcription will look to see if there was another one in 1851?
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Re: Malcolms of Dundee
« Reply #17 on: Friday 06 May 11 19:44 BST (UK) »
Thank you!  I hope someone will help with the 1851 census.  I bought the booklet to read, it's called "Walk with the physician of souls through a duing world"  Then noticed it was a gift from the minister of the church who was Islay Burns and given to L. Malcolm.