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Daniel Irwin/Irvine/Irving - Enniskillen
« on: Monday 16 October 06 11:49 BST (UK) »
This Daniel character was known by various spellings of his surname throughout his life in Norfolk and Australia.  I know nothing of his life in Ireland.  I'm hoping some kind soul can remedy this.

He was tried at Norfolk (City of Norwich) Assizes on 13 Aug 1821, for an unknown crime, and sentenced to Life.  His native place was given as Co Fermanagh and his trade as Silk Weaver.  (I suspect his crime was political as the silk weavers were having a bad time around then) Some certificates in Australia give his birthplace as Enniskillen.  He was 23 years old, 5'-5" tall had light grey eyes and dark brown hair.  At time of trial he had a Wife & 1 Child at Norwich and lived with William Brandfield his wife's uncle at Magdalen St Norwich.  He was transported to Tasmania and lived a full life both there and in Victoria.

What I am interested in is details of birth, possibly around 1798/1800. ::)

Bob
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Re: Daniel Irwin/Irvine/Irving - Enniskillen
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 16 June 07 05:40 BST (UK) »
I have just edited my post from last Oct hoping it may catch someones eye.   ::)

Cheers

Bob
Pearson - Yorkshire
Flinders - Notts/Lincs/Lyon
Dearden - Rochdale
Grindrod - Rochdale
Reynolds - Staffs/Cornwall
Tortoishell - Staffs
Cooper, Freeman, Parnell, Love, Hargreaves - Rutland
Maslen - Wiltshire/Victoria, Australia
Kenny - Germany
Edwards - Greater London/Victoria, Australia
Bartlett, Gee, Padbury - Northants
Rampoley, Allom - Suffolk
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Re: Daniel Irwin/Irvine/Irving - Enniskillen
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 04 March 08 21:19 GMT (UK) »
Hello Bob,

Your message caught my eye when searching RootsChat for silk weavers.

Whilst a personal description, which I note some people include in their posts about their ancestors, may not help in tracing Daniel it's a good idea to have such details that can be included  in your family history.

Daniel's denomination is more inportant when you're attempting to trace him. Was se a  member of the Catholic faith, the Established Church (Anglicans or Church of Ireland), a Methodist or a member of the Presbyterian Church?

You'll have to rely on Church records as civil registration in Ireland was not introduced until 1864. Non Catholic marriages were registered from 1845 onwards. When registration for BDMS started in 1864 some people didn't bother with the registration for a few years after that date. Keep your fingers crossed that church records still exist.

Christopher





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Re: Daniel Irwin/Irvine/Irving - Enniskillen
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 04 March 08 23:17 GMT (UK) »
Hi

Have you seen this from Norfolk Transcription Archive? could these be connected to Daniel Irwin/Irvine/Irving

http://www.genealogy.doun.org/transcriptions/surnames.php?doc_type=400&surname=IRWING

census returns? 1871

St. Faiths District Horstead cum Staninghall
 1871 IRWING? Or IRVING?, Thomas B., 25 hd, mar, Farmer
 Hobart Town, Tasmania
 7 - 35

St. Faiths District Horstead cum Staninghall
 1871 IRWING? Or IRVING? Maxwell H., 21 bro, unm, Ag Lab
 Lammas, Tasmania
 7 - 35
 

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Re: Daniel Irwin/Irvine/Irving - Enniskillen
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 05 March 08 06:36 GMT (UK) »
Hi

Christopher, thanks for that.  I have numerous documents on Daniel from the musters in England to conduct records in VDL and not a mention of religion anywhere.  Can't even find his 'marriage' in OZ, I suspect he didn't.  The mother of his 14 children deserted her husband and they ended up in Victoria via South Australia.  That could give a clue as to his religion as they were both married at the time, it would only be a guess though.  As far as his wife and child in Norwich I have not looked too closely yet apart from posting on RootsChat although finding a marriage or birth record, for the child, could help.

GJB, good pick up but unfortunately  not the same family.  I did however find Thomas Builton (b1845) & Maxwell Henry Williatt Irving (b1849) on the Tassie pioneers index.  They were sons of William Richard & Josephine Irving, there were 2 other siblings William Joseph (b1843) and Josephine Jepson (b1847).

Cheers

Bob

 
Pearson - Yorkshire
Flinders - Notts/Lincs/Lyon
Dearden - Rochdale
Grindrod - Rochdale
Reynolds - Staffs/Cornwall
Tortoishell - Staffs
Cooper, Freeman, Parnell, Love, Hargreaves - Rutland
Maslen - Wiltshire/Victoria, Australia
Kenny - Germany
Edwards - Greater London/Victoria, Australia
Bartlett, Gee, Padbury - Northants
Rampoley, Allom - Suffolk
Detlefsen, Herse, Iversen, Boisen/Boysen - Denmark
Xylander - Germany
Dundon - Co Limerick
Mullins - Devon

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Re: Daniel Irwin/Irvine/Irving - Enniskillen
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 05 March 08 13:58 GMT (UK) »
Sorry that previous posting was no good! but try this. You'll have to bear with me as copy of film is poor.

Taken from Norwich Chronicle - Sat 25 Aug 1821

Daniel Irwin aged 21 was charged with breaking and entering a warehouse belonging to John Brownfield of the City of Norwich, in the night of 31st May last, or early the following morning and stealing thereout bombazine and silk to the value of 300/ and upwards.   It appeared from the evidence that the prisoner was a discharged servant of the prosecutor's and an Irishman, and well acquainted with every part of the prosecutor's premises. On the evening of the 21st May last, the prosecutor being from home, his son Jas Brownfield closed the warehouse, and locked them up in the usual manner.    The next morning he was alarmed early by a gardener residing in premises adjoining those of the prosecutor, who informed him that from traces of feet in his garden and other appearances he suspected some one had been over his wall to rob the warehouse of the prosecutor.   Mr Jas Brownfield immediately unlocked the warehouse, and on going into the back room found it had been entered by the window, and the following articles, amongst others stolen from the room over  ___ is one piece of black bombazine numbered 13194 and half a bale of raw silk and part of another half bale of silk weighing about 170lbs and worth upwards of 300/.     It appeared also on further inspection, that the lock of a desk in the room had been broken open as well as internal locks - Hand-bills offering a large reward for the apprehension of the parties were issued and every other method used to succeed in detecting the robbery,  but without effect; however, after a lapse of some time, suspicion fell upon the prisoner, he abruptly left Norwich with his family and the mode in which the robbery was effected indicating that it must have been done by some one intimately acquainted with the premises - The prosecutor succeeded in tracing the prisoner to Cambridge, where he was apprehended and at his lodging were found the remains of the piece of bombazine lost with the number partially picked out and also a great part of silk - The prisoner on being charged with the robbery before Mr Purchase, a magistrate of Cambridge, made a confession which was produced and read in Court it stated that three other persons John Parish, Wm Brown and Thos Baty were engaged with him in committing the robbery in consequence of which confession, Baty, Parish and Brown were apprehended and upon examination Parish was fully committed for trail, and Baty and Brown were remanded for further examination; but upon a rehearing of the business at the Hall, the prisoner contradicted his first statement and confessed that he and his wife were the only person concerned in the robbery, in consequence of which the other three were discharged.    The bombazine was produced and fully identified by Thos Parker clerk of the prosecutor - Guilty of stealing to the value of 40s - Death.
 
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300/ I assume is £300 ??? I have never symbol ( / (looks like an l = itallics))

This must have been changed to deportation.

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Re: Daniel Irwin/Irvine/Irving - Enniskillen
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 05 March 08 23:07 GMT (UK) »
Hi GJB

Thanks a million for that transcript, very interesting.  As Daniel eventually says his wife was involved with him do you know if she was charged at all? 

Can I just muse over a few things here?  As, on his indent, it states that he was living with his wife's uncle Wm Brandfield in Norwich could this lead us to think that his wife was from there or was she Irish like him?  Would be interesting to find the marriage.

Anyway thanks for that, it is fantastic.

Cheers

Bob 
Pearson - Yorkshire
Flinders - Notts/Lincs/Lyon
Dearden - Rochdale
Grindrod - Rochdale
Reynolds - Staffs/Cornwall
Tortoishell - Staffs
Cooper, Freeman, Parnell, Love, Hargreaves - Rutland
Maslen - Wiltshire/Victoria, Australia
Kenny - Germany
Edwards - Greater London/Victoria, Australia
Bartlett, Gee, Padbury - Northants
Rampoley, Allom - Suffolk
Detlefsen, Herse, Iversen, Boisen/Boysen - Denmark
Xylander - Germany
Dundon - Co Limerick
Mullins - Devon

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Re: Daniel Irwin/Irvine/Irving - Enniskillen
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 06 March 08 00:18 GMT (UK) »
Is this record of William Brandfield on freereg that could be your William Brandfield

Baptisms 26 Aug 1780 BRANDFIELD William Norfolk Stoke Ferry -- Although this may not be him?

If Daniel's, wife's mother maiden name was Brandfield when she married it could have been any other surname!

Any idea on Daniel's wife's first name?

Magdalen St in Norwich is a very old street and there are a large number of churches in the City and several on or around Mag. Street. Tracing records pre 1837 can be hard and difficult to prove.

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Re: Daniel Irwin/Irvine/Irving - Enniskillen
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 06 March 08 22:33 GMT (UK) »
Hi Graham

No I have no idea of his wife's name or his child's.  There are so many unknowns about this family - although thats one of the joys of family history eh!

Must say I've never had any luck with FreeREG  so I never bothered to check, but that could be William, I will have a look for others.

Going back to your previous post and the 300/  I seem to remember back in the days of pounds shillings and pence we used to write shillings in a similar way  eg  300/-   

Cheers

Bob

Pearson - Yorkshire
Flinders - Notts/Lincs/Lyon
Dearden - Rochdale
Grindrod - Rochdale
Reynolds - Staffs/Cornwall
Tortoishell - Staffs
Cooper, Freeman, Parnell, Love, Hargreaves - Rutland
Maslen - Wiltshire/Victoria, Australia
Kenny - Germany
Edwards - Greater London/Victoria, Australia
Bartlett, Gee, Padbury - Northants
Rampoley, Allom - Suffolk
Detlefsen, Herse, Iversen, Boisen/Boysen - Denmark
Xylander - Germany
Dundon - Co Limerick
Mullins - Devon