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Re: death cert info
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 15 October 06 13:24 BST (UK) »
have used free bmd and ancestry.co.ukmum has now said that edward walters mother was called elizabeth !!!! thats who edwards sister ws named after
if thats the case then why does it state on bothe edwards and william john birth certificate alice moss
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Re: death cert info
« Reply #19 on: Sunday 15 October 06 13:41 BST (UK) »
The marriage took place in Bath in March 1930 of James J Selway and Elizabeth S Gale volume 5c page 933

Looks like the 1908 birth I found yesterday is probably correct.

I bet if you got both certs you would find the previous info confirmed yet again.

All you can do is go on the facts - not on family hearsay.
Just cos someone was 'called' a certain name does not mean that is their correct one ie the one they were registered with at birth.You do however HAVE to use your correct birth name on all official documents.

I have a gt aunt Dolly- we all thought she would turn out to be Dorothy.
I have since found she was christened as Mary Elizabeth- none of her neices knew that.

Carol
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« Reply #20 on: Sunday 15 October 06 14:34 BST (UK) »
So, Ros, be POSITIVE on this one - you now have the details of the daughter too! It is up to you if you want to get her birth cert too or not.

I can only echo Carol's advise about sticking to facts.

And also about names - my grandfather was always, we thought, William Herbert. He married, twice, in as that name. His death in his 80's was registered in that name. Then his widow looked out his birth cert, and found he was registered simply as 'Willie'. Neither my mother, or anyone knew this throughout his life. But it eventually came to light via his brother who had emigrated to America that when they were teenagers both he (Frank) and my grandad (Willie) decided they wanted middle names, so from then onwards called themselves Frank Victor and William Herbert. And that is what they did. No-one (not even their wives) knew of their previous names until then, about 70 years later.

On the marriage, again I agree with Carol. There are lots of marriages even on the free database ist on ancestry for Ernest Gales, and I didnt look at the spouse name for all. The CArdiff one was to a Lily Moss, but your chap could have married anywhere.  The free database is also not complete, and it is not practical to look through the marriage indexes qtr by qtr when we have little idea as to the time scale or place of the marriage.

Having said that, we have now established the date of the daughter's birth, so unless there were more siblings that might help with a marriage date.

Hang in there, Ros, you're doing well! Dont get bogged down with red herrings - just go one step at a time!
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Re: death cert info
« Reply #21 on: Monday 16 October 06 12:45 BST (UK) »
thank you so much for your words of encouragement
no one left in the family seems to have a clue about anything , and im so desparate to put an end to all these rumours and get the fact straight so at least i can tell my children the correct version of events !
can i just ask one thing you mentioned in your posting that you found a marraige to a lily moss in CARDIFF?? ive only foud one in chesterfied derbyshire , was that a mis type or have i missed one , if there is one in cardiff then that would solve a few problems as it would be the correct area im in according to other info from the 1901
plese let me know and if you have a reference for it that would be smashing
thank you for your patience with a degranged budding family historian close to breakdown ???
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clark(e) somerset
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« Reply #22 on: Monday 16 October 06 16:04 BST (UK) »
Sorry, Ros, my mistake.

The Lily Moss/Ernest Gale marriage is Chesterfield.

This is unlikely to be the correct one.
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Parker - Sussex
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Re: death cert info
« Reply #23 on: Monday 16 October 06 16:20 BST (UK) »
DAMM I THOUGHT IT WAS THAT ONE , HOPING YOU HAD TURNED UP TRUMPS ,AGAIN HAVE BEEN SEARCHING WEB FOR AN ALICE MOSS ERNEST GALE MARRIAGE NO LUCK
ARE THERE ANY SITES YOU CAN RECOMEND TO TRY ?
names researching: Riley:Greenhalgh  Pike: Donaldson:of Lancashire
Davies/ Ford-Horne of Wales
clark(e) somerset
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« Reply #24 on: Monday 16 October 06 16:57 BST (UK) »
No, Ros, I think you have tried all the websites where some marriages have been transcribed on to a database.

Your only course of action for finding this marriage is to methodically work through the marriage indexes, quarter by quarter, for a wide range of years in which Ernest and Alice could have married. As you go, jot down every Ernest Gale who marries. Then look in the same quarter for Alice Moss and see if there is an entry with the same area and same ref. The indexes are currently free to search on Ancestry, so it wont cost you anything, but it will take a bit of time and organisation.
But it will guarantee that you find the marriage if there was one.

Alternatively, you can put the marriage on the back burner, so to speak, and see what else you can find out about the families, in th ehope that some more information will come to light to help. For example, you could get the birth cert for Elizabeth Susan. This would confirm that her parents are the same, Ernest and Alice, or not (who knows? ) and whether Alice gives her name as ALice Gale nee Moss (inplying but not guaranteeing they are married) or as Alice Moss (implying they are not). Also it will give an address for the family at that particular date.
Or you can investigate the 1901 census a bit more. You have Ernest there, living with other travellers. How about you browse around the adjacent pages (dont know if you can do this online with 1901) and see what other travellers were on that site/field? Who knows you may find a Moss family! Or more of the Gale clan.

There is a whole board on Rootschat devoted to Travellers, so have a look there for any tips.

But most of all.....calm down!

Family trees are never built in a day. Many 'brickwalls' are there for years and years. It takes time (lots) and usually money too! If all else fails remember in 2012 you will have access to the 1911 census which will help.



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DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: death cert info
« Reply #25 on: Monday 16 October 06 17:10 BST (UK) »
Just discovered a lot of people are wasting their time here, as there is a duplicate thread:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,183989.15.html
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: death cert info
« Reply #26 on: Monday 16 October 06 17:52 BST (UK) »
Can we ask a moderator to merge these two topics please.

We don't want to be looking for stuff that others have already found.

Thanks  ::)
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