death cert info

[ros]

hello lizdb
thank you for your reply
yes youve got it all down right i think i will have to pass up on the amily heaesay regarding hereford , perhaps they did live there for a whil whilst edward walter was a young boy and thats what was remembered, i dont know but mother wont budge on this at all
what i dont understand is the only ernest gale marriage i can find is to a lily moss not an alice moss no matter how hard i look ,and the occupationms on the marriage cert i have for ernest gale and lily moss are ernest miner ; his father miner  and lily's father also a miner
but trying to track dow ernest agin in the 1891 and 1901 census is proving impossible
could they have started off as miners then ended up as hakers/pedlars?they certainly seemd tohave travelled a bit judging by the wedding cert then then the birth certs i have for edward and william
and why does edwards birth cert only state edward and not edward walter as we definatley know he was?

[lizdb]

it is unlikely they changed from being miners to being trvelling hawkers, but you never know. It is more likely that marriage is the wrong one.

[ros]

THATS WHAT I CANT UNDERSTAND BUT THEN WHY CAN ONLY FIND  A MARRIAGE FOR A LILY MOSS BUT NOTHING FOR AN ALICE MOSS
I HAVE SAT AT THIS COMP ALL DAY AND LOOKED AT EVERY SITE AVAILABLE AND THEY ALL THROW UP THE LILLY MOSS ??

[PrueM]

1901 census throws up 3 Ernest GALEs in Wales, including this one.  He is lodging, with his parents Walter and Alice - who are Pedlars/Hawkers.  They  are lodging in a household of Pedlars.

RG13-4985-204-33
12 Gray St, Canton, Glamorgan
Ernest GALE   Lodger   S   14      b. Cheltenham

The other two Ernest GALES:
1. Canton, Glamorgan:  Archie Ernest GALE - b Swansea 1886, Paper mill cutter - lodging (no parents shown)
2. Ebbw Vale, Monmouthshire:  Ernest G GALE - b Ebbw Vale 1894, father John a coal miner b Hereford

Don't want to send you barking up the wrong tree, but thought this info might be useful to you 

Prue

[carol8353]

Earlier on you mentioned him dying in 1952.

The GRO indexes have an Edward W Gale who died in Bath in March 1/4 of 1952.

The ref is volume 7c page 41 he was 45- making him born in 1907.

Do you have this death cert and is this man definitely your grandad?

His parents may not have registered him as Edward Walter Gale,but he decided to call himself such as he went through life.

I think I will have to re-read this thread in the cold light of day.
I've got a bit confused with all the Edwards and George's-who I believe you are saying worked as a miner- is that correct?
Doesn't that point more to him coming from Wales then?

All the best

Carol

[carol8353]

I've just found this birth- also in Cardiff.

In Mar 1908 Elizabeth Susannah GALE  volume 11a page 461

Who are the witnesses on the marriage cert of Ernest and Lily?

They are often other family members and can give a big clue to who else to look for on censuses.

Carol

[ros]

TAHNKS ALL FOR YOUR TIME AND TROUBLE
THE "GEORGE " MENTIONED WAS ON A MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE THAT I APPLIED FOR RE ERNEST GALE AND LILY MOSS , GEORGE WAS DOWN AS ERNEST'S FATHER A MINER
LIKE YOU SAY IT DOES SEEM UNLIKELY THAT THE FAMILY WENT FROM MINERS TO HAWKERS/
BUT IT IS THE ONLY MARRIAGE THAT I CAN FIND WITH A MOSS AS THE BRIDE AND ON THE BIRTH CERTS OF MY GRANDFATHER EDWARD WALTER AND HIS BROTHER WILLIAM JOHN THE MAIDEN NAME OF THEIR MOTHER IS ALICE MOSS.
NO MATTER WHAT U SEARCH ALL REFERNCES AND SITES COME BACK WITH THE 1 MARRIAGE OF AN ERNEST GALE TO A "LILY " MOSS NOT AN ALICE
I DO HAVE THE 1901 CENSUS REPORT OF A WALTER GALE AND ALICE GALE WITH AN ERNEST LODGING WITH OTHER PEDLARS AND HAWKERS IN CANTON AND WHEN I HAVE MENTIONED THIS TO MY COUSIN HE CAN REMMEBER HIS FATHER TALKING ABOUT CANTON BUT CANOT REMMEBER WHY OR WHO IT WAS CONCERNED WITH !
MOTHER STILL INSISTS THAT THERE IS A HEREFORD CONECTION WITH GRANDFATHER AND HIS BROTHER
BUT TRY AS I MIGHT I CANOT TRACK   WALTER , ALICE AND ERNEST BACK BEFORE THE 1901 CENSUS EVEN WITH THE INFORMATION OF THEIR BIRTH PLACES
I HAVE ALSO TRIED ALL THE TRAVELLER LINKS ON VARIOUS WEBSITES UNDER  BOTH SURNAMES OF "GALE " AND "HEATH"( WHICH WAS SUPPOSIDLY THE FAMILY SURNAME BEFORE IT WAS CHANGED APPARNTLEY DUE TO GT GT GRANDFATHER ? MAYBE WALTER ? GAMBLING AWAY THE FAMILY MONEY AND HAVING TO CHANGE THE FAMILY NAME !)
FAMILY STORES HAVE SAID THAT WHEN THE FAMILY WERE GYPSY'S / HAWKERS THEY MADE A GOOD LIVING SELLING DRIED FLOWERS UP AND DOWN THE COUNTRY AS FAR AS LONDON
REGARDING THE "WALTER NAMED IN THE 1901 WITH ALICE AND ERNEST
 I KEEP COMMING BACK TO IT AS MY GRANDFATHERS MIDDLE NAME WAS WALTER  ALL THE NAMES FROM MY GRANDFATHERS LINE WERE CARRIED ON DOWN TO THE PRESENT GENERATION SO I KEEP COMMING BACK TO THAT ONE IN PARTICULAR
WILLIAM JOHN AND EDWARD WALTER ALSO HAD A SISTER CALLED ELIZABETH SUSAN  COULD SHE HAVE BEEN NAMED AFTER THE LILY (ALICE) MOSS ?

[ros]

WITNESSES ON ERNEST AND LILY'S MARRIAGE CERT ARE WILLIAM GARWOOD AND ELIZABETH DODSON CANT FIND ANY RELAVANCE TO THE FAMILY AT ALL

[carol8353]

Have you only used Free BMD to look for this marriage- cos you DO realise that the index is no where near complete on that website.

There may well be other marriages that have not been transcribed yet.

Carol