death cert info

[ros]

I AM TRYING TO TRACE MY ANCESTORS THERY WERE HAWKERS/ PEDALRS AND I AHVE A LITTLE INFORMATION BUT AM TRYING TO TACK DOWN THE EXACT PLACE AND DATE OF BIRTH FOR MY GRANDFATHER
CAN NAYONE TELL ME IF I APPLY FOR HIS DEATH CERTIFICATE WILL IT HAVE HIS BIRTH DATE AND LOCATION ON IT ?

[nanny jan]

Hi Ros,

It will depend when he died; I have a death cert dated 1974 and that shows place and date of birth.  I'm not sure when the style of death certs changed.  My certs are all from England,not sure if it is the same elsewhere.

Nanny Jan

[ros]

thank you nanny jan the date of death was england 1952  so im  not sure i have alreay applied for a possible birth cert but it doesn't look like its the same person

[nanny jan]

Hi Ros,

Have you looked for a marriage cert. for your grandfather; that might give you an idea of which year he was born?

Do you know how old he was when he died; there is a chance he could be found on 1901 census if he was over 53!

1901 transcripts are free to view at the moment on www.ancestry.co.uk.......you might just find him there.

Good luck,

Nanny Jan

[casalguidi]

It was 1969 when date and place of birth (as accurate as known by the person registering the death) first started to be listed on English & Welsh death certificates.

Have you got his marriage certificate?

Casalguidi

[ros]

HE WAS BORN 1907 ACCORDING TO MY MOTHER IN HEREFORD BUT THERE IS NO RECORD OF HIM , HIS FATHER WAS ERNEST MOTHER NOT SURE IF IT WAS LILY OR ALICE ON A CERTIFICATE IIVE GOT FOR HIS BROTHER HE WAS BORN TAUNTON SOMERSET WITH FATHER ERNET AND MOTHER ALICE MOSS , APPLIED FOR THE  MARRIAGE CERT OF A ERNEST AND ALICE / LILY MOSS AND THE ONLY ONE I CAN GET IS FOR A LILYU MOSS AD ERNEST GALE  BUT THEN I CANT EVEN FIND ERNEST ON THE 1891 WITH IS FATHER LISTED AS GEOGE MINER ?
AS FOR FINDING A BIRTH CERT FOR EDWARD WALTER THE ONLY ONE I CAN FIND IS FOR AN EDWARD GALE  MOTHER ALICE MOSS FATHER ERNEST   HE WAS BORN CARDIFF, MY MOTHER HAD ALWAYS SAID ERNEST AND HIS BROTHER WERE BORN HEREFORD? SO THAT MAKES IT CONFUSSING ,
WHATS EVEN MORE CONFUSING IS THAT THE FAMILY WERE REPORTIDLY GYPSY'S, SOMEONE ON HERE FOUND ME ONE FAMILY IN CANTON GLAMORGAN ON THE 1901 WITH AN ERNEST GALE BORN CHELTENHAM GLOUC
ALSO GRADFATHER EDWARD WALTER HAD A SISTER SUSAN ELIZABETH  CANT FIND HER EITHER
VERY CONFUSSING IVE JUST SPENT ALL DAY ON ANCESTRY .CO.UK USING UP LOADS OF CREDIT TRYING TO DECIPHER THESE CERTIFICATES IVE OBTAINED TO SEE IF ANY OF THEM ARE MINE

[lizdb]

This all looks very confusing!!

I think it might help to try and summarise the facts so far. And I mean facts, not family hearsay!!

your grandfather's name was...... I havent even quite managed to sort that one out!

He died on.......... do you have the cert? If not have you got as far as finding the index entry?

He married .......  on ........ at ....... As casalguidi says it would be worth finding his marriage. His wife's name and maiden name can be found on your mother's birth cert (I take it he is your mother's dad)

If you are 100% sure you have his brother's birth cert then it would show the parents names, unless the brother is actually a half brother or step brother.

Just take it one step at a time, and if you would like rootschatters to help look ( as they will be willing to do) just make sure they have all the relevant info at each step!

[ros]

right sorry i know its all confusing   my head has been spinning with this for the last 2 years and getting no where fast
i will tell you facts of what i know
grandfather edward walter gale b 27/2/1906 cardiff on cert (although mother says born hereford)
mothers name alice formally moss; father ernest gale occ mason's labourer
edward walter had 1 brother william john b c 1912  died bath somerset in 2003
according to cert i have :born taunton somerset :his mother alice gale formerly moss : father ernest gale occ general hawker
edward walter my grandfather ) also had 1 sister elizabeth susan b c 1910 dont know where but i know she married james john selway in bath somerset
all 3 children married in bath somerset where the family what left of it is based , they all married in the 1930's
back to grandfather edward walter
i have his marriage cert on which his father stated as ernest is deceased
the only marriage certifacte i cn find for ernest gt grandfather is to a lill moss i cnot find one for an alice moss at all

[lizdb]

So, looking firat at brother William John. If he died as recently as 2003 in Bath then you can be fairly sure that the death entry in the indexes for Dec 2003 is the right guy, and that gives a d o b as 26 April 1912.

The birth indexes for that person show he was born in Taunton, mother's maiden name Moss. And you say you have that cert, giving parents as Ernest Gale and ALice nee Moss. So if you are sure that the guy who died only a few years ago in Bath was the right one, then you can be sure that this is the right birth.

Now, you say you have a birth cert for your grandad Edward Walter, also giving the parents as Ernest Gale and ALice nee Moss. So you can be sure that this is the right cert for your grandad, and he was actually born in Cardiff and not Hereford as family rumour had it.

So that is your original question answered - you have his birth date and location!

To go further back is harder, like you I have found the marriage of an Ernest Gale to a Lily Moss on FreeBMD.

You may be best trying to find Edward Gale on 1901 census next, difficult as you have no approx d o b for him.

Or alternativley trying to find his death - you know it is after 1912 when William born ,but before whatever date son Ernest Walter marries in the 30's.

other folk may have better ideas