Census Lookup for BACKWAY/BARKWAY 1841-51

[liz-bris]

Hi Heywood

Excellent sleuthing there!

Yes that does fit doesn't it? Baby John's age bit off but baby James fits.  Ages of James their father at 25 close enough as does Elizabeth at 29.  Son-in-law would be right if the father saw Elizabeth as his daughter. 

Next thing to look for is marriage of Jane.  I suppose it would be in her name of Jane Ellis not Backway, not sure of how that worked? Sometime after 1820, I guess.  I will check that on the IGI now.

Is there any occupation for either James or Elizabeth on the census or is that only the head that that was put in for?

Thanks so much

Liz

[heywood]

Sorry!! James is the sawyer and Henry is the carman!

no other jobs- Henry has several children in 1841 - including an Elizabeth born 1831 - all very difficult!

The more I seem to look- the more problems/ puzzles occur.

[heywood]

I can't believe this - just when I thought it was all going pear shaped- there is the marriage (possible anyway)
Jane Backway and Henry Harris 1841 4th quarter East London vol 2 pg 170!
so you will be able to send for that.
best wishes
heywood

[liz-bris]

That is really excellent sleuthing!  Well done!  There is no way I would have worked that out.  It has to be the right one!

And my James was a Sawyer!

Can you tell me can you order certificates on line.  I am in Qld Australia.  Last time I ordered certificates it was through the local Family History society (10 years ago!)

Thanks

Liz

[heywood]

I think it's all on here: http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

I was getting so confused! There are two entries for a Jane Harris (within 2 yrs within 2 yrs birth years) for 1861. One is with Henry - the other with a Jane Lawrence (from 1851). She is listed as 'wife's mother' for a William John Godsalve Crosse (!!) and his wife Mary Ann. (There are also 2 entries for him- one with Mary Ann and another as a nephew!)
I looked this marriage up - a Mary Ann Bridger (oh no I thought - another marriage!)
However eventually I found that Mary Ann Backway was married same quarter and year- checked this out with Family Search and it is her!
Jane must be on the census twice- perhaps only staying there a couple of nights.
I'm so glad that it has worked out and hope you get it the certificate.
best wishes
Kath
PS if you go to Ancestry.co.uk and search free BMD there is a link for certificates online besides the one I gave.

[liz-bris]

Thanks so much for all your help

Liz

[liz-bris]

Just to clarify last message - are you saying that in 1861 census the daughter of Jane Backway (Harris) is the Mary Ann married to William Godsalve Crosse?

And that Mary Anne (Backway) had her  mother was listed there and that Jane Harris was also listed with her and with husband Henry Harris too?

This is the same Mary in 1841 as a child aged 10 with Jane Backway right?

And that you found marriage of Mary Ann Backway to William Godsalve Crosse? 

I still don't have Elizabeth in 1841 do I?

She seems to be a missing person. 

Looks like Jane the greengrocer was living very close to where she lives in 1851 with Henry Harris.

[heywood]

Hello  - yes (I think- will have to check ages)

Family Search (IGI)
William John Godsalve Crosse to Mary Ann Backway 17 December 1857 St Peter's Stepney
Ancestry free BMD
William John Godsalv- Crosse Mile End OLd Town 1857 4th quarter Vol 1c pg 90
others on page - Mary Ann Bridger
However - Ancestry free bmd
Mary Ann Backway 1857 4th quarter Mile End Old Town  vol 1c pg 984
Have checked the image and William should read pg 984!

1861 census
 RG9; Piece: 1072; Folio: 118; Page: 2
Berwick House Rainham Essex

William J G Crosse 27 yrs nephew Merchant clerk born St George East
is staying with Henry G Crosse (unmarried) gent
there are others there including a John T G Crosse and John H Newman - both nephews

however at RG9; Piece: 298; Folio: 112; Page: 13

46 ST Peter's Road mile End Old Town
William J G Crosse occ. fundholder - same age/ birth is the head
Mary Ann wife 30 yrs b Stepney
Mary Ann G 2 yrs b Mile End
Eliza F G 6 months b Mile End
Jane Harris 67 yrs householder wife's mother b St George's East
Jane Laurence niece 17 yrs b Whitechapel
Elizabeth Dell servant 14 yrs b Stepney

BUT
Class: RG9; Piece: 292; Folio: 90; Page: 18
32 Wellington Road Mile End Old Town
Henry Harris 70 yrs carman  b ?? Herts
Jane Harris 67 yrs householder b St George's East
there is a Henry and Rosanna Garnet and family with them I think possibly

Later I think the young Mary Ann Crosse becomes a servant so they perhaps fall on hard times.
I 'googled' re Godsalve Crosse and there is an article abolut Rainham and the family.
Well I think that's all
good luck
Kath

[liz-bris]

Thanks for all that info.  You did a grat service for me

Liz