Leleux search Lambeth

[leleux searcher]

Hi there.  I have posted a request previously for a search on the 1851/61 census for Joseph Leonard Leleux and was asked for further information.  The only information I have is that Joseph married Eliza Bigg of Bethnal Green in 1836 and the licence was obtained from Hackney.  Eliza was born in St. Albans, but resided in 1871 in Lambeth.  She was the headmistress of a school and her daughter was the assitant head mistress.  All of his children, Alexander, Eliza and Florence were born in Lambeth.  Can anyone find him?  He is the sticking point in my search so any info would be greatly appreciated. 

Thanks

Rosy

[Humphreyjohn]

Hello Rosy,
I also have been trying to trace London Leleux.  My great grandfather, Charles Leon Leleux, was born in Hammersmith 12 April 1857, the oldest of 8 children of Augustus Peter Joseph Leleux, machinist, who was apparently born in Paris France around 1825, and Julia Piguet. I have a lot of miscellaneous information about APJL; he lived in a host of places around Holborn and Westminster, and finally died in Woolwich 1893. But I have always been curious about when/why he came over to England, and about his relationship with the Lambeth Leleux, who appear in various documents around the same time, and lived just over the bridge on the South Bank.  It doesn't seem to be a Huguenot thing - I suspect both were later immigrants. 
I have come across Joseph Leonard Leleux, who married Eliza Bigg of Bethnal Green, on 21st June 1832 in Hackney, per Vicar-General's Office document, but I thought that she was actually born in Shaftesbury, Dorset (per 1881 Census).  The children I am aware of are Alexander Leonard (b Feb 1834 Kennington), Eliza May  (b 4 Sep 1838, Lambeth), and Florence Adelaide (christened 23 Jan 1847); I also tentatively had Julius Lovell (b 23 Jan 1836) as one of their children.  I assume you are descended from one or other of these.
However, I'm afraid I have come across no further information about Joseph Leonard Leleux. 
My brick wall is Augustus Peter Joseph Leleux - whose father was apparently Louis Leleux, farmer, from France.  My brother & I incline to the theory that they came from the Ardennes/ Champagne area of France, but no hard facts. We suspect that APJL was related to JLL - if only because the London Huguenot Leleu-s rarely if ever had "X" at the end of their name - but have found no way so far of establishing that.
I'd be very interested to see if you have any insights from "your" side of the river.
Best wishes - John Humphrey

[carol8353]

Welcome to Rootschat to both of you 

How great that you are researching what appears to be the same family and you've only just joined us 

I have checked on the partial index of the 1861 and find that the name Leleux does not appear at all.That doesn't mean they are not there,just that they've not been indexed yet.

Do you have any addresses near to 51 or 61 that someone could look up for you,rather than by surname.Hopefully you will be able to share info and sort your Leleux's out!

Regards

Carol

[Humphreyjohn]

Hi Carol, yes I have several addresses for Augustus Peter Joseph Leleux (by the way, those first names were used interchangeably and in any order!) the earliest of which (1855) is 14 St Martins Court, Westminster; the closest to the 1861 census are 4 Red Lion Sq Holborn (June 1859) and 54 Holywell Street, Westminster (October 1861); and the closest to the 1871 census are 65 Bunhill Row, Holborn (November 1870) and 31 Upper Lisson Street, Westminster (November 1871). I certainly would be grateful for any lookups of '51, '61 or '71.
Regards, John

[carol8353]

John

I'll take a look later- after work. I just have to look up Red Lion Square.
My godmother lived there in the 40's and 50's and I visited often.
I wonder what number she lived at 

1871 is name indexed,so that should be easier

Bye for now,more later

Carol

[carol8353]

Hello there

Had a spare half an hour and checked out Red Lion Square in 1861.
I trawled up and down it but am sorry to say found NO Leleux's.

You mention the 1871,there are a few Leleux's(in fact a rather large family on Guernsey) but not the names you are specifically looking for.
I too can find no mention of Joseph.

I'll look at the other addresses another time-unless someone else wishes to do so in the meantime.

The only place I've found an Augustus Peter is in the marriages of 1871
Cushen, Jesse 1871 December Marylebone London Middlesex 1a 869
ELLAWAY, Emma 1871 December Marylebone London Middlesex 1a 869
Jarvis, Lucy Elizabeth 1871 December Marylebone London Middlesex 1a 869
Leleux, Augustus Peters 1871 December Marylebone London Middlesex 1a 869


As you are probably aware the surname can so often be spelt differently so it may well have been mistranscribed.Do you have all the people you mention in 1871 and beyond?

Regards,

Carol

[carol8353]

Eureka 

At 53 Holywell Street Westminster on RG9/47 folio 23 page 8/9

Auguste LELEUX head mar 35 engineer b Paris
Julia wife 28 b London
Leon(lion?) son 4 b London
Julia dau 2 b London

Lodgers  Unm James Lockyer 24 Tailor b Middx
Mar Matthew Tibbit messenger 50 b Oundle Northants
F Auguste Deede 24 Telegr Engineer b Germany
A H Putsch             24    "         "               "


Sorry but they give no more info re births other than London 

Hope this helps,

Carol

[carol8353]

Hello Rosy

I see from the 1871 and 81 censuses that Eliza and her dau are living in Foxley Street.Sadly that is missing from enumerator district 9 in 1861.
So it has not been possible to look there for Joseph.

The same thing happened to me in 1901 the whole of the Royal Marines Depot, Deal Kent has been lost 

Do you have another address nearer to 1861 that we could start to look for the family at- or are they always in Foxley Street?

I've just looked at the actual image of the 81 by the why and find that Eliza's birth place DOES say St Albans,so yet another one mistranscribed.

Carol

[Humphreyjohn]

Can't help with the earlier censuses, but the marriage of Eliza Bigg and Joseph Leonard Leleux seems to have taken place in 1832 rather than 1836.( And yes - she was born St Albans, not Dorset, Carol having kindly shown me the original census record). The Vicar-General's Licence Allegations contain the following excerpt:
"Vicar-General's Office, 21st June 1832.  Appeared personally Joseph Leonard Leleux of the parish of south Hackney in the county of Middlesex. Bachelor of the age of twenty-one years or upwards and prayed a Licence for the Solemnization of Matrimony in the parish church of South Hackney aforesaid between him and Eliza Bigg of the parish of Saint Matthew Bethnal Green in the same County. Spinster of the age of twenty-one years and upwards.  And made oath that he believeth that there is no Impediment of Kindred or Alliance, or of any other lawful Cause, nor any suit commenced in any Ecclesiastical Court, to bar or hinder the Proceeding of the said Matrimony, according to the Tenor of such Licence.  And he made further Oath, that he the said Joseph Leonard Leleux hath had his usual Place or Abode within the said Parish of South Hackney for the space of Fifteen Days past  Signed JL Leleux Sworn before me, Geo Matcham"
I'm not sure what circumstances would have obliged JLL and EB to apply to marry by this route - can anyone clarify that? What was the purpose of these "Allegations" or "Licences"?   John