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Re: Family history?
« Reply #27 on: Tuesday 06 May 14 20:23 BST (UK) »
I think I have a broader understanding of social history now too, because of my research. I've learnt a lot about the lives of men during WW1 and how complex it was. Before I'd always though all young men went off to war, but two of my ancestors worked on the docks in various guises, so I learnt something there.

I do think there is such a thing as a 'nose' for when an ancestor is yours.

I've sometimes wondered if we are all a bit like salmon and are instinctively drawn back to the places of our ancestors.

Before I'd done any family history research, I knew my Grandparents were from Hull but I didn't really know much beyond that, such as where they'd lived or how far back our history went there.

I went to an open day at Hull Uni and felt very comfortable in the city straight away, so I decided to pick it as my Uni. A few months later I went to Hull again with both my parents and we went to the marina and dockside. I can remember clearly even now, having a very strong feeling of calm and of being at home looking out over the Humber and around the dock buildings. When I eventually did attend there I often went down to that part of town and wondered around, again always feeling very at ease and at home.

It wasn't until I started to research my family history that I found out that my ancestors had worked on the docks and lived not even a third of a mile away from where I had stood on that day. It was almost as if they were whispering over my shoulder.



Sends a shiver..Very well put..I do believe we have an instinct or nose for who we are looking for and where we belong..or even who we belong too guides us. Deep again, but have found it true

Best wishes to all who posted on thread, some great incites.

 Cas :)
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Re: Family history?
« Reply #28 on: Tuesday 06 May 14 22:28 BST (UK) »
One of the things I`ve started to do is looking at events both local and national that occurred at specific times in my ancestors lives.Events around birth marriage and death dates.It makes you wonder how aware my  ancestors were of events happening.It`s something else to investigate,interesting too.
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Re: Family history?
« Reply #29 on: Wednesday 07 May 14 08:37 BST (UK) »
News travelled a lot slower and less in yesteryear, but I'm sure local and regional events would have been noted and discussed.
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Re: Family history?
« Reply #30 on: Tuesday 17 June 14 21:20 BST (UK) »
Thank you again Cas for directing us to this thread from the Unexplained - http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=647654.new#new

I have looked quickly at the comments herein and I would go so far as to say that this has to be one of the most important debates I have come across in my many years of discussion and inquisitiveness.

In a few moments I have gained new ideas about the meaning behind the human family race, most importantly what makes us what and who we are.    I cannot explain this feeling in a few words so will present some cases and events , d.v.
Hutton: Eccleshill,Queensbury
Grant: Babworth,Chinley
Draffan: Lesmahagow,Douglas,Coylton, Consett
Oliver: Tanfield, Sunderland, Consett
Proudlock: Northumberland
Turnbull:Northumberland, Durham
Robson:Sunderland, Northumberland
Dent: Dufton, Arkengarthdale, Hunstanworth
Currie: Coylton
Morris and Hurst: East Retford, Blyth, Worksop
Elliot: Castleton, Hunstanworth, Consett
Tassie, Greenshields


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« Reply #31 on: Tuesday 17 June 14 21:57 BST (UK) »
   I shall begin with the beginning as far as I am concerned.    My interest in family history was stirred at a relatively early age.    I was only nearing my 27th birthday when all of my mother's brothers, all Draffan's, received a letter from George Draffen of Newington, in March, 1960 asking for family details and at the same time telling what he had discovered going back to the first Draffan, a witness at Kelso Abbey between 1160 and 1189.    This was mind blowing at the time for most family knowledge was what remained in the mind after some aunt or uncle would bring up a name from their past.

     Yet I did little once the initial interest had waned thinking as most people did then that there was little chance of discovering much more.    Everything really kicked off around 1976 when having joined a travel agency in a Melbourne suburb the owner, found through the British High Commission that there was a crying need for a document service.   So many people had lost all of their birth and marriage certificates without which they couldn't claim a pension, or travel overseas.  So we lined up researchers in London and Edinburgh and that naturally led to our own family research.

     It wasn't until 1987 that I sensed there was more to it all than just finding out who our great grandparents had been and where they lived etc.    My daughter talked me into seeing a medium who had astonished herself.    Though I always had believed there was something else and had an open mind, I didn't feel convinced enough to take that step.   But she persisted and so I made an appointment.   Tanya's open words were that she knew immediately that I would be a good subject as 'they' were all around me.  Then came the first inkling that Tanya was the real thing for her next statement was that I had let my interest in family history wane and that it was most important that I get back to it and write about it.   She wouldn't allow any interjection and if I tried to put in a word she stopped me with a reprimand saying that I could not tell her anything, but only answer 'Yes' or 'No' if she needed to know that what she could 'see' was on the right track.   

    Tanya then went on to see that she could see some place in England and a name something like 'Beckwirth' was an important clue.    There is a very odd thing when one has a reading.  Medium's call it 'Psychic Amnesia'.   We forget names and places that we know very well and I didn't connect it at the time to the one place I had been searching, namely 'Babworth' near East Retford where my grandmother was born.

     The rest of that reading was just incredible, so much so that I found myself questioning my daughter, and asking her just what she had told Tanya.    I knew in my own heart that Fiona had kept personal details to herself, yet what I was told was just impossible for any other living person aside from perhaps my son, to have known.    I never sought another reading until about ten years later when I first noticed the '33' phenomena.     All Tanya could tell me then was that they were trying to get my attention.   But it was what else she told me in 1997 that was utterly astounding.   We had only just moved into a new house my second wife, Ede, and myself had had built upon retiring.   It was just everything one could ever want and in an idyllic position close to the Hastings Marina, shops to one side, and the coastal board walk through wetlands and natural settings right next door.  There was no way we would leave that heavenly home with a fantastic cathedral ceiling in the large family room cum kitchen or the great spa with air and water jets.   But Tanya insisted we would move.   
    I protested saying that she was seeing the move we had just made.  Tanya was adamant that it was to be in the near future and then went on to describe a trellis fence right across the front garden.   My heart sank like a load of cement as I had just put that trellis fence up.     Tanya lived some 60 kilometres away so could never had seen it and in fact had no idea where we lived.   She then added that it wouldn't be until climbers had grown up and all over the trellis.
    Three years later something happened that compelled us to sell up and move to Cairns, for Ede to be near her daughter.
    My main point here though is that I now accepted that there was more to life than what we think is the only reality, and that our make up and family connections are a big part of it all.  After all the Willis case which I have outlined in the linked thread above, was some evidence of that importance.
Hutton: Eccleshill,Queensbury
Grant: Babworth,Chinley
Draffan: Lesmahagow,Douglas,Coylton, Consett
Oliver: Tanfield, Sunderland, Consett
Proudlock: Northumberland
Turnbull:Northumberland, Durham
Robson:Sunderland, Northumberland
Dent: Dufton, Arkengarthdale, Hunstanworth
Currie: Coylton
Morris and Hurst: East Retford, Blyth, Worksop
Elliot: Castleton, Hunstanworth, Consett
Tassie, Greenshields

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« Reply #32 on: Tuesday 17 June 14 22:13 BST (UK) »
    I must say something now about the many historic events that I have learned solely through my interest in family research.

    The one that is uppermost in my mind right now, is what happened in August 1640 at Ryton Willows on the River Tyne when an army of 20,000 Scots besieged Newcastle and then attacked Ryton from Newburn on the other side of the river.    I have traced my Oliver's back to around that date, along with Richardson's, Harrison's, Cumming's, Kile's and Parmaley's.   The Ryton parish registers have nothing after July 1640 for about a whole year, and history does tell us that the Scots occupied Ryton homes and stayed in Durham and Northumberland for a year.    The big question then is what happened to those ancestors during the occupation?    How were they treated?    The Scots Army were mostly Covenanters, so one can only hope that they had some decency.    It gets more complicated because one or two Draffan's from my great grandfather's home town were taken prisoner as Covenanters at Bothwell Brig in 1672.    So could some ancestors have raided some of my other ancestors?

     It is thought that the grandmother of William Wallace was an Alicia Draffan of Lesmahagow where my gt.grandfather James Draffan was born, so the plot deepens.

     Earlier this year I learned all about the big uprising in Central Europe in 1863 which lasted much of that year and apparently involved the Borkowski ancestry of my daughter-in-law who also has Scottish ancestors.   A Borkowski revolutionary was executed by the Prussians in November 1863 and that may have been the reason why the family fled, first to England then on the Cartvale to NZ in 1873.     Until I got stuck into this family's past I had had no idea that there was once a great country between Germany and Poland called Kashubia, or that there are still communities who keep Kashubian folklore alive.
Hutton: Eccleshill,Queensbury
Grant: Babworth,Chinley
Draffan: Lesmahagow,Douglas,Coylton, Consett
Oliver: Tanfield, Sunderland, Consett
Proudlock: Northumberland
Turnbull:Northumberland, Durham
Robson:Sunderland, Northumberland
Dent: Dufton, Arkengarthdale, Hunstanworth
Currie: Coylton
Morris and Hurst: East Retford, Blyth, Worksop
Elliot: Castleton, Hunstanworth, Consett
Tassie, Greenshields

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« Reply #33 on: Wednesday 18 June 14 16:27 BST (UK) »
Thank you for your input Malcolm, although very deep, but interesting.

Regards Cas
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« Reply #34 on: Friday 20 June 14 14:34 BST (UK) »
Studying family history made me more adventurous and willing to be a 'pioneer'. Learning about the lives of my ancestors showed me how the decisions they made affected not only their lives but the lives of their descendants for generations to come.

I used to feel like I would never leave my own home town because I wanted to remain close to family, but now I'm contemplating the idea of moving somewhere completely different, like many of my ancestors did, and starting a new 'line' from there.

It also influenced me into starting my own business, like my great grandfather and my great great great grandfather before me.
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« Reply #35 on: Saturday 21 June 14 10:27 BST (UK) »
I've learned to keep an open mind. 
People generally marry in their 20s, unless they are 50+.
People don't move far from their birthplace - unless they go to the other side of the world.
They name their children after their own parents and siblings - unless they just choose names from anywhere.
They stick at the same job - unless they have a different occupation every time it's recorded!
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