look ups please

[taimarley]

hiya, looking for help with look ups in the 1841/1851 census, two families as follows;
  Emma Barker daughter of Charles Barker( glazier) and Thomas Barton son of James Barton (Occupation something like "grinder", very hard to read certificate).they lived in Birmingham,possibly in "Lancaster street"or in the st.stephen area, any help will be greatfully received,many thanks

[indiapaleale]

Hi re: Barker and Barton.

On the 1851 census,  there is no Charles Barker with a daughter Emma. There are 2 Emmas.  One born 1826 in Birmingham living with her mother, Mary Barton, a widow?. They are on Paradise St. The other Emma was born in 1836 and is a servant for the Abrahams family in Smallbrook St.

Also on the 1851 census, there is no James Barton with a son Thomas. There is a Thomas Barton, born 1829, living with his brother in law and sister, Hannah Crowley. Thomas is a vice maker.

Do you have any witness names on the marriage cert? Might be able to narrow it down.

Let me know if you want the full details of any of these folks.

I will make a note of these names as I go through the 1841 for Birmingham

It might take a while!

Cheers,
India

[taimarley]

hiya, thanks for your help, both fathers james and charles are alive on the marriage certificate in aug 1852,charles is 20 and emma is 22 and the witnesses are william and mary ann perry.I have found a possible  match for emmas birth in april 1830, christened at st.martins church(centre of brum)hope some of this helps, thanks ever so much for your time,and sorry if you get this more than once, computer is playing up,thanks again,clancy

[indiapaleale]

Hi Tai
Just wanted to let you know that just because it doesn't say that the father is deceased on the marriage cert it doesn't mean that he's alive.
I have three marriage certs from children of my ggranfather. First one,not dead...second one, dead. third one, 3 years later, not dead! I turnes out that the father was dead when all three children were married.
I think sometimes the registrar didn't ask.
Just wanted you to know.
Hope this helps,
India

[taimarley]

cheers for that!i just presumed because it didnt say he was deceased and gave his profession that he must be alive, so complicated tracing back! still not sure if they are my family though as dates dont seem to match(ages) are ther any on the 1841 census? thanks again,c lancy

[allibaker]

the only emma barker that matches is this one-
living at briely street,birmingham in 1841-
martha barker 30yrs
mary 12yrs
emma 10yrs
charles 6yrs(maybe named after father?)
regards
alli