All bit confusing! Bristol/Somerset area

[M_A_A_B]

Ok....I'm trying to find Henry Hoare b.1855...he married Martha Day in 1869 and they had one child (that I know of) Albert Hoare b.1875

On the 1881 census Martha and Albert are living in Bedminster, Bristol but no Henry....it does say that Martha is married though.

Martha has 'lodgers' Dario Scapwin and his son (I believe they are actually Dario Scapuzzi and son...later changed the name to Dart) that are logged seperately on the 1881 ensus...Martha later married Dario in 1902, in Axbridge, Somerset.  Dario had previously been married in 1873 in Bedminster, Somerset.

On 1901 there is a Scappiezi Dart living with his wife Matilda and daughter Nellie...could this be the same person as Dario? I think it's too much of a coincidence that the name is so similar and that he is from Italy also (it does say 'Leghorn, Italy' but I think that this has been entered wrong)....but the wife Matilda doesnt fit...neither does her year of birth (1844)...the Dario I'm research did have a daughter named Nellie though.

I'm waiting on the marriage certificates for both first marriages and the second marriage between Martha and Dario but I cant figure out what happened to Henry...I havent been able to find any death record for him.

If anyone can help or point me in the right direction or something that would be great

Sorry that this is so long!!!

cheers, amy

[PaulineJ]

Why do you think that "leghorn, Italy" is wrong?
Nowadays one would call it Livorno.

Pauline

[M_A_A_B]

well, it was Livorno on an earlier census....not sure why it would change to Leghorn on a later one!

[AMBLY]

Hi Amy

Was Henry HOARE really born about 1855?
That would only make him about 14 in 1869 when he married Martha in Bristol!

Have you found Martha & Henry in 1871?

Martha was born abt 1851 Blagdon Somerset (according to 1881)?


Cheers
AMBLY

[M_A_A_B]

oops! Got muddled up with something else and didnt notice...sorry!

Henry Hoare was born about 1850....but I'm not 100% sure when as I havent been able to find anything about him.

[AMBLY]

Hi Amy

Since you are waiting the marriage certs, perhaps once you have the one btw Henry and Martha you can post: all the details on that:

Their full names and occupations
Father's names and occupations (and if it says deceased or not)
Their Ages
Their address at time of marriage
Witness' names

In the meantime, you do already know Henry's approx year of birth....
So do you already know where he was born and the names of his parents?
Or, have you assumed he must be about the same age as Martha............?
Do you think this could be them in 1871 - there is a another son - however it makes sense if they married 1869, and Albert wasn't born until 1875, that there was at least another born in the interim.

1871: Bedminster Somerset
REF: RG10 - 2508 / F78 / Pg50
ADDRESS: Bartley Cottage
Head: Henry HOARE , marr, 27, Mason, b Colyton Devon
Wife: Martha HOARE, marr, 24, b Blagdon Somerset
Dau: Mother (----?) Mary A HOARE , widow, 64, b Not Known
Son: Edward A HOARE, 1, b Bristol Somerset
Daur: Maria A HOARE , unm, 29, Seamstress, b Colyton Devon

This Census entry is a bit messy - the enumerator has first described Mary A as "Dau", obviously not, crossed it out and written "Mother" then a 2 or 3-letter word in a circle besides that  which I can't make out? Maria A the seamstress was described as a daughter then that was crossed out but nothing replaced it.  My guess: is she was the daughter of Mary A ....but need to try confirm on other Census...

Cheers
AMBLY

[MJP]

1851 1861
RG9/1373/45/2
Hill Head St., Colyton, Devon
Mary A. Hoare, Head, Widow, 52, b. Devon, South Tauton
Ophelia, Daur, 30, Lace Worker, b. Colyton
Maria, Daur, 21, Lace Worker, b. Colyton
Henry, Son, 18, Mason, b. Colyton

1851 1861
RG9/1710/28/26
West End, Nailsea, Somerset
Martha Day, 15, Servant, b. Blagdon, Somerset
In Household of Adam Avery, Farmer (also Adam's wife and widowed father and a male servant).

[AMBLY]

Hi there

Hi MJP I think that's the 1861 for Mary A HOARE et all at Hill Head?

This is the 1851, in same place but Father is in the house:

1851: Colyton, Devon (RD Axminster)
REF: HO107 - 1862 / F / Pg4
ADDRESS: Hill Head Street
Head: Charles HOARE 42, Mason Master,
Wife: Mary Ann HOARE 41,
Dau: Ophalia HOARE 21,  Dress Maker
Dau: Thirza (or Theza?) HOARE 18, Lace Maker
Son: Charles HOARE 15, (no occupation listed, but is listed as "Idiotic" in Column  asking "Whether Blind or Deaf-and-Dumb")
Dau: Maria HOARE 12, Lace Maker
Son: Henry HOARE 8, Scholar,
Son: Samuel HOARE 6, Scholar
All listed as born Colyton.


Cheers 
AMBLY

[MJP]

Ooops!  Got my years mixed up...  Thanks AMBLY!

1841
HO107/214/4/4/3
High Street, Colyton, Devon
Charles Hoare, 30, Mason, Y
Mary Ann, 30, Y
Ophillia, 11, Y
Thurza, 9, Y
Charles, 5, Y
Maria, 2, Y