Abbott/Slack/Clarke

[porkpiebaby]

I'm researching the Clarke Family of Loscoe/Codnor.

One of my Clarkes, Ann, married William Slack and they were living with her parents John and Hannah Clarke (nee Slack...sure there must be a connection there somewhere!) in the 1841 census.

Along with the other Clarke children, there was also a one year old child called homas Abbott living with them. I'm trying to find out who he is and where he came from, how he came to be living with this family.

Can anyone help please?

[Gardener]

Hi.
In the 1851 cenus Thomas Abbott is down as a visitor in the Clarke/Slack household.
According to a submitted entry in the IGI Thomas is the son of Thomas Abbott and Elizabeth Pe

1851
Eastwood
Thomas Abbott,head,m,51,coal miner,Shipley,Derbys
Rebecca,wife,m,42,Codnor,Derbys
William,son,22,coal miner,Codnor
Joseph,son,19,ditto,ditto
Jervis,son,16,ditto,ditto
Mark,son,15,ditto,ditto
Ra?,son,9,scholar,ditto
Sarah,dau,10m,

HO107 Piece 2125 Fol 342

1841 has Gervas Abbott at a seemingly unrelated household in Codnor and Thomas Snr has dau Charlotte and son William with him living nextdoor to his wife(1st)'s ?relative Thomas Pepperday.

Sorry have to dash out now

[porkpiebaby]

Thanks for that...I have similar information from another site...I have a Charlotte Abbott and Thomas Pepperday as witnesses for a marriage, but no idea how to tie all the info up!

[Gardener]

Sorry, what I meant to say before I had to rush off to see a film, it looks to me as though Elizabeth Abbott died (possibly Basford dec qtr 1840) and the children were parcelled off. then when Thomas remarried some of the cildren came home and others not.
Hm, I was going to say that Thomas jnr might just have been fostered out to unrelated people BUT there is a marriage for Thomas Abbott dec qtr 1842 Basford and there is a Rebecca Clark on the same page and the 1841 has

Rebecca Clarke,30,charwoman,y
Joseph ditto,9,y
Mark ditto,5,y

living in the household before the one containing Thomas jnr. So if there wasn't a connection before there was afterwards!

1861 census has

Thomas Pepperday,53
Georgeanor ditto,wife,52
Jarvis Abbott,nephew,26
William Clarke,nephew,25
Thomas Abbott,nephew,20
all born Codnor

So, if William Clarke is son of Job and Hannah Clarke then perhaps Hannah Clarke was a Pepperday before she married?
Or, more complicated than that there is a Thomas Pepperday in the IGI b abt 1807 Codnor, parents Gervase Pepperday and Ellen Slack.

Right then, Thomas Abbott snr married Elizabeth Pepperday and when she died his new baby Thomas was sent to stay with Hannah Clarke nee Slack who was his maternal uncle's sisterinlaw?

Sorry, I was sort of thinking out loud there

I'll pm you about this

[porkpiebaby]

Gardener....

I've had a great response on the Heanor history forum too...it seems that Ellen Slack's illegitimate daughter is my 3x great grandma, which shows the link to the Clarkes! Check it out!

http://www.chatarea.com/HeanorDistrictLocalHistory.m3809263

[Gardener]

Well done! I am mad with jealousy that you find all these people in your family tree too - I am overjoyed when I get a 7th cousin My lot don't generally go in for family history 

[porkpiebaby]

I have no idea why I even decided that Thomas Abbott was any of my business in the first place...just a hunch that he was in the wrong place for a reason!

I've been trying to find a marriage of my g grandfather's for years.....that one still won't turn up!

I'm sure you'll have some luck soon...anything I can do to help?

[Gardener]

I'm sure you'll have some luck soon...anything I can do to help?

Not unless you go in for magic! My only aunt once said to my parents "See you on Friday" and then on Tuesdays she emigrated to America I think she came from a long line of people who didn't go for family ties. But I married a man who has a million relatives so it balances it out a bit

[porkpiebaby]

To all who helped...firstly, it seems that Gervase Pepparday born 1774 was my friend's 5x great grandad, so we are definitely related!

I need to run by you what I understand of all the information you have shared with me.Please bear with me for being so slow, I just had to make a pictorial family tree for myself to see what I understand and what I don't! Sorry it's a long one.

Please forgive me if I get it wrong or aske the same questions again, and please forgive me if you read this on two different sites!

Ok here we go...

Gervase Pepparday (b1774) married Ellen Slack  in 1804.

Firstly, Ellen Slack has an illegitimate child, Hannah Slack (b1801) who married John Clarke (m 1801) in 1822. Their children were Ann, James, John, Thomas and William. (This William is the same William found in the house of Thomas and Georgiana Pepperday in 1861)

Secondly, once married, Gervase Pepparday (b1774) and Ellen Slack have children Elizabeth (b1804) Thomas (b1807) and Joseph (b1803). I'm sure there are other children but can't get my head round the rest of them...can someone please confirm using surnames and dates of birth so I know which they are?!

Elizabeth Pepparday(b1804) marries Thomas Abbott (b1802) and they have (I think, please put me straight if I'm wrong!) two children, Gervis Abbott (b1835) and Thomas Abbott (b1840). This Thomas Abbott is the child who is brought up by the aforementioned Hannah (illegitimate daughter of Ellen Slack)and John Clarke.

Joseph Pepparday (b1803) has two children, Thomas Pepparday (b1833) and Georgiana (b1835) who are the owners of the house where William Clarke, Thomas Abbott and Gervis Abbot are residing in 1861. Thomas and Georgiana are in fact siblings, which is contrary to some information I've received so far, which suggests they may be married!

Therefore, the Abbott children Gervis and Thomas, the Pepparday children Thomas and Georgiana and The Clarke children Anne, James, John, Thomas and william are all cousins together. (NOT nephews as stated in one piece of information)

I do know there have been other people mentioned, and other scenarios.

Jenny...you mentioned that Thomas Abbott was in fact the son of a Matthew Abbott as documented in the marriage details. Does anyone know where Matthew Abbott fits into this lot?? I can't find where he goes as I have Thomas as the son of Thomas and Elizabeth as earlier mentioned.

Gardener...you quote a census from 1851 where Thomas Abbott is married to rebecca with a whole array of children... do we understand this is Thomas Abbott, the remarried father of Gervis and Thomas with his new family?



Thank you all so much for helping me to piece all this together...can you put me straight if I'm miles off? Thank you!