Dumfriesshire lookup 1841/1851

[MonicaL]

Is this William in 1881?:

William BRYDONE  Head      W  45  Scotland  Draper     
Jessie G. BRYDONE  Daur   16      Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Annie BRYDONE Daur 15      Liverpool, Lancashire, England      
Annie HAIR  Housekeeper  U  43  Scotland  Housekeeper     

Address: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

If this is William and family? Do you know the names of all the children, particulary the early ones following his marriage in 1865 (If he followed Scottish naming patterns, it would be good to get some clues re his mother's name).

Monica

[MonicaL]

I think this might be Margaret Brydon, head/widow showing in 1851. From IGI, these look like entries for the two daughters showing in 1851 (although the ages for both seem 10 years out...oh the joy of census ages!):

To parents Thomas BRYDON and Margaret ELLIOT:

1. ANN BRYDEN  Christening: 19 AUG 1806 Troqueer, Kirkcudbright, Scotland
2. CATHERINE BRYDEN Christening: 06 MAR 1809 Troqueer, Kirkcudbright, Scotland

[MonicaL]

Found this marriage on IGI, right place, right time frame:

JOHN BRYDONE     Marriages: Spouse:  JANET GORDON    
Marriage:  23 JAN 1832  Dumfries, Dumfries, Scotland

No children showing for them on IGI, however, from SP, and the Old Parish Registers we have:

1832 BRYDONE THOMAS
1834 BRYDONE JOHN GORDON
1835 BRYDONE WILLIAM
1838 BRYDONE ROBERT

All showing as born in Dumfries Dms.

Looking a good possibility now!

We need to find a marriage cert for one of the sons, to show father John as an Ironmonger........

Monica

[emarbe]

Monica

I have checked William's death record and he was 78 when he died in 1918, so his birth has to be close to 1840.

On a previous check of the 1851 census I found the Margaret you mention, but I think William is too old, however I also found Jean Bryden (widow) with a son, William age 11, living at Summerhill in Hollywood. What is interesting is that her husband (whoever he was) must have been quite a bit older as there is a stepdaughter (age 28) at the same address.
The problem is there is no way that I can think of confirming these as my relatives.

With regards to William's children, unfortunately that is no help with names like Harry, Walter, William and Louisa, although the eldest son's middle name was John.
I had previously checked the Brydone name in various trade directories for Liverpool and there were several people living in that area with that name, so I think that name's a no go.

Mike

[MonicaL]

MIke

I did see the entry with Jean Bryden. I think the husband/father was David. From a submitted entry on IGI:

David Bryden  Birth:  07 SEP 1848  Holywood, Dumfries, Scotland
Parents: Father: David Bryden    Mother: Jane Johnston

And an actual extract on IGI for their marriage:

DAVID BRYDON     Marriages: Spouse: JANE JOHNSTONE    
Marriage:  22 APR 1838  Glencairn, Dumfries, Scotland

Monica

[MonicaL]

Mike

I think I'm changing my name to 'Clapped out 2'!

The William Bryden (parents John and Janet Gordon) I posted earlier born Dumfries, was living in Liverpool by the late 1850s. He came back to marry a local girl from Dumfries in 1860, Annie Douglas. This is William who I thought might be yours in the 1881 Census in Liverpool showing as a widower, with the occupation of Draper. Small world!

From the names that you have given for your William's children, I can see that it is the first William that I saw in the 1881 Census (general labourer/wife Louisa).

I'm stuck for the time being, I'll go back and see if there are any other leads.
There actually aren't that many Williams in Dumfries around 1841/51 although we are slowly eliminating most of them.


Monica

[emarbe]

Monica

Now you know why I chose that name!!.

It's true, there aren't many Williams, especially of the right age, it's just a case of finding the right family. I think the one clue might be that John was an Ironmonger.

Many thanks for your time in looking.

Mike

[emarbe]

Many thanks for everyone's help.

Mike

 

[barbarab1]

mike, i have just started doing my family tree and find that i am related to william bryden, a tailor/draper from dumfries, he is my gggg grandfather (or one of those Gs anyway!)... trying to find out more information - hope that we can chat about it.... although it was a long time since this post - hope to hear from you soon.