Fred LENG b.1858

[keithleng]

I'd very grateful for any information anyone could provide relating to Fred Leng. The 1901 census*  has him born in "Mash Chappell, Lincolnshire", (presumably Marsh Chapel) in 1858.

I've been unable to trace the birth of a Fred Leng  circa 1858. The Leng family believe that the family surname may have been changed to Leng from Moses sometime in the 19th century. I've been equally unsuccessful in tracing a Fred Moses (or similar) born around 1858.

Thanks in advance,
Keith Leng


*Class: RG13; Piece: 4484; Folio: 68; Page: 11.

[JohninAus]

Hi Kieth,

1861 Marsh Chaple (spelling as per census sheet:RG9/2386/75 pg 13)

Edward Ling, Head, mar, 26, ag lab, b Ludborough
Louisa ,wife,mar,25,b (can't recognise place..but guess Kirmond)
Fred ,son,4, b Utterby
William, son,2,b Northcoates
George,son, 11 months, b Northcoates

William and George may be in Free BMD (Louth)- can't see Fred

Louisa would probably be Louisa Wilkinson bap 14 Dec 1835, Kirmond le Mire, dau of William and Eliza (Edward and Louisa's later children - ref 1871 census, use Wilkinson as a middle name) William Wilkinson mar Eliza Andrew 27 Aug 1832, Kirmond le Mire (Westwold deanery marriages).

Looks promising, I think, as your Fred Leng in Sculcoates in 1901, uses the Ling spelling in 1891.

John

[keithleng]

Thanks for that, John. It hadn't occurred to me at all that there might be some other version of the Leng surname. I'll follow up the leads you've provided me. I'm still very new to this and I need all the help I can get!

[Tati]

In 1891, Fred has his brother Ernest age 19 born Elsham with him:
RG12/3924 121 5
Kingston upon Hull Southcoates
1 Cyprus Terrace
Fred Ling, head, 33, Dock labourer, b. Lincs March Chappel
Emily, wife, 35, b. South Ferriby
Annie Hester, dau, 5, scholar, b. do.
Lucy Getrude, dau, 1, b. Hull
Ernest Ling, brother, s, 19, Dock labourer, b. Elsham 


1881  links Ernest to Edward and Louisa
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=12905804


Birth Lucy Gertrude Ling Dec 1889 Sculcoates 9d 181
Interestingly, she also marries as Ling in Sep 1911, just as 'Hettie'

Birth Dec 1885 Glanford Brigg 7a 726 Annie Esther Ling
Marriage Dec 1907 Annie Hester Ling Sculcoates 9d 468

[JohninAus]

Kieth,
Don't know how far back you want to take this, or what resources you have , but..

1841 Ludborough:
Richard Ling,42
Helena,40
Helen,12
Eliza,10
Edward,8
Charles,7
William,6
Maddison,4

That's consistent with the IGI submitted entry on this family.

John

[keithleng]

Hi John, I keen to keep going with this, it's just taking me a while to find my feet. I was surprised how quickly you and Tati unearthed the information that you did.

The Fred Ling link does look good. Judging by the ages it seems that Lucy Gertrude in 1891 is Gerty in 1901 and Annie Leolei is Hetty in 1901. I found Lucy Gertrude in FreeBMD and I've ordered a copy of her birth certificate. No luck with the others.

My grandfather,  William Norman,  makes his first appearance in the 1901 census. I found a William Norman Leng born in Stockton 1897 and I've ordered a copy of that.

I'm still not sure whether the use of Ling in 1891 was intentional, or an error. We Lengs are often mispelled as Ling, Lang, Long etc. 

What was it  that led you to Fred Ling in the first place? Was it a phonetic search somewhere?

The only resources I have are a membership of Ancestry.com. I'll be in London next week and I was thinking of visiting the Family Records Center +/or Kew.

Thanks  a lot for the new information ... I'm not sure what IGI stands for but I'll continue to dig 

Cheers,
Keith

[JohninAus]

What was it that led you to Fred Ling in the first place? Was it a phonetic search somewhere?

 

I think I used your Marsh Chapel ref to bring up the whole of the village in 1861 (Ancestry) and checked the L's.

To save me looking, who was William Norman's father?

 Interesting that Fred's stated birthplace was Utterby, which is close to Covenham, one possible source of the 18th century Lings.

John

[keithleng]

Fred himself was William Norman's father. This my ancestry tree:

http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/pedigree.aspx?tid=334699

Not sure, if you can see it but I'd be happy to share it with you if you can't. I'll be offline for a while now, but I'll check back later.

Cheers,
Keith

[Tati]

OK, here's something to add to your chart:

Marriage June quarter 1883
Glanford Brigg 7a 1380
Fred Ling - Emily Jacklin

Death Emily Ling age 43
June 1899 Sculcoates 9d 103

Emily Jacklin in 1881:
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=12904523