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Offline welshspencer

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Looking for a death to solve Murder
« on: Saturday 30 September 06 14:40 BST (UK) »
Hi all

am lookong for a death of a Elizabeth Down between 1804 and 1809

the reason am looing for this is because when they cleared by great grandmothers  house  at  Topsham  after  the  death  of  the  last  DOWN , they  brought  a  pile  of  papers  away,  amongst  other  things - and  among  these  papers  was  a  printed  sheet  headed :-
'LIST  OF  PERSONS  EXECUTED  AT  THE  DEVON  COUNTY  GAOL , FROM  THE  YEAR  1795'
At  the  bottom  of  the  page  it  says :-
( PRICE  ONE  PENNY )
The  only  relevant  name  on  the  sheet  is  SARAH  DOWN  who  was  murdered  in  1822 . She  had  a  sister  called  MARY  and  a  brother  called  JOHN  and  they  lived  at    Worlington .( We  feel  that  there  must  have  been  a  link  with  'our  DOWNS'  for  them  to  have  bought  the  sheet  and  kept  it , as  I'm  sure  they  didn't  have  money  to  throw  away  on  a  whim .) The  girls  worked  for  an  ELIZABETH  COLE  at  Moor  End , East  Worlington . SARAH ( also  called  SALLY ) would  have  been  in  her  early  twenties .

it  was  a  guy  called  JOHN  RADFORD  alias  BRIGHT . He  was  hung  at  Exeter  Jail .
I have the court case from the times dated Mon July 28th 1823

Now the probelm starts here.  the house that got cleared was a Simon Down born 1814 brushford whos  first Cousin was called sarah (sally and she was born 3rd june 1804 at Brushford daug of John Down 1775 Zeal Monachorum and Elizabeth Snell dauht of mary Snell They had married on 28th june 1802 and also had a daughter called Mary born 20th March 1803 also at brushford but no John,

Now also at brushford there is a burail entry for a Mary I see from the Brushford PRs that a Mary died in 1806.  Now I know there is no way of knowing but it could be that the Mary who died is the d/o John & Elizabeth Snell.  BUT  no age, or d/o, was noted, so she was probably an adult.   It could be that the Mary who died was the Mary who had an illegitimate son Thomas in 1779.  Age about 25 when Thomas was born and age 52 in 1806 - fair age in those days.  So ... 'our' Mary may be still alive.  or she may not be (but there was a mary alive when Sarah was murdered.
 I  do  wonder  if  ELIZABETH  SNELL  died  and  in  1809  JOHN  DOWN  then  married  CATHERINE  SNELL , as  they  had  a  son  JOHN  DOWN  baptised  30th  July  1810  at  High  Bickington
 If so, where? In 1810 John & Catherine had a son John and in 1812 a daughter Mary Snell Down.  So another Mary.
I had a look on the IGI for High Bickington and found sisters Katharine Snell born 1777 and Elizabeth Snell born 1769.  Both would have been about 32-33 if they married the same John Down.So have been trying to find the death of Elizabeth to be able to fit all this together, As Simon and Sarah were Cousins its makes sence as why he would have had this list in his house.

hope you can help with this one

Kind Regards

Russell
 

Update I was sent this which puts Sarah's birth date at 1790 and that does not fit with the sarah that was born to John, it seems by this I will have to find diffrent Parents for her??

While looking at the West Worlington Burial records
recently, I found the following entry which may be of
some interest to someone.
 
July 15, 1823. "Downe, Sarah, East Worlington,
singlewoman (found drowned). Age 33. NB. John Bright,
alias Radford, of East Worlington, was hanged at
Exeter, Jul 28, 1823 for the wilful murder of Sarah
Downe, by forcibly throwing her into the river - which
he confessed."


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Re: Looking for a death to solve Murder
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 10 October 06 19:10 BST (UK) »
Hi, Do you know E. & W. Worlington?
Moorend is quite a way from the river! about a mile I would say. She may have argeed to meet him there. I wonder why she wasn't buried at E.Worlington. Try newspaper archives.
Glen.
Keenor, Heywood, Towell, Bird, Westaway, Warne, Ball, Joy,
Devon.