Lizzie Slater and family- census

[Will Marshall]

Hi everyone
Ive recently had a talk with my mum about here own grandmother Lizzie Slater of Scarborough. Ive managed to find the family using ancestry but theres a few questions that someone I hope might be able to help with. the first is that Lizzie's father used to be a coalman delivering all over scarborough she apparently spoke of this alot among other stories I was hoping someone might be able to confirm this by use of the census.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you

Will

[AMBLY]

Hi Will

So we might try to help:

Have you an approx DOB for Lizzie? I assume SLATER is her maiden name?
Do you have her father's name?

Cheers
AMBLY

[Will Marshall]

Hi again.
I believe she was born around 1897. Her fathers name was John Alfred Slater.
apparently the family was very large with many children., which I have kind of confirmed as she seems to have had 4 sisters and 2 brothers.

sorry about the vagueness.

thanks for your help.

Will

[AMBLY]

Hi Will
You've confirmed the family I thought she'd be & father's occupation looks right:


1891: Scarborough Yorkshire
Ecclesiastical parish:All Saints
RD :Scarborough
REF: Class: RG12; Piece: 3964; Folio 47; Page 10;
ADDRESS : 90 Nelson Street
John A SLATER 36, Coal Porter, b Esleby Norfolk
Mary SLATER 31, b Brompton Yorks
Dau: Eliza SLATER 11, Scholar, b Scarboro
Dau: Emma SLATER 10, Scholar, b Scarboro
Son: Alf'd SLATER 7 (or 9?), Scholar, b Scarboro
Son: Geo' SLATER 5, Scholar, b Scarboro
Dau: Mary SLATER 4, b Scarboro
Dau: Maggie SLATER 2, b Scarboro
Dau: May SLATER 11 mths, b Scarboro

1901: Scarborough Yorkshire
Ecclesiastical parish:All Saints
RD :Scarborough
Class: RG13; Piece: 4530; Folio: 152; Page: 93
ADDRESS:  90 Nelson Street
Head: John Alfd SLATER 46. General Carter, b Coleby Norfolk
Wife: Mary SLATER 43. b Brampton Yorks
Dau: Eliza 21, unm, b Scarboro
Dau: Emma SLATER 19, unm, b Scarboro
Son: Alf'd 17, unm, (General Carter), b Scarboro
Son: George SLATER 15, (General Carter), b Scarboro
Dau: Mary SLATER 13, b Scarboro
Dau: Maggie SLATER 12, b Scarboro,
Dau: May SLATER 10, b Scarboro
Dau: Lizzie SLATER 4, b Scarboro

I think the 2 boys are supposed to be "ditto" occupation of their father in 1901; the ditto mark looks like a lowecase "z" so I'm not 100% sure on it.

Also, yhe writing is a bit poor, but  it looks like John Alfred is described in 1901 as "Own A/c"  - in response to question: "Employer, Worker or Own Account?"

Cheers
AMBLY

[Will Marshall]

Thanks for verifying that Ambly. Its nice to think it was maybe a family buisness. ive heard that coalmen not only were important in the victorian age but were also respected and liked so thanks for confirming this. is there any indication the family had anymore children previous to Eliza on the earlier cenusus? the family is big but to the standards of the day doesnt seem as many as i thought.

Thanks for your help again.

Will

[AMBLY]

Hi Will

1881: Scarborough Yorkshire
RD :Scarborough
REF: Class: RG11; Piece: 4802; Folio: 190; Page: 110
ADDRESS:2 In Yard Mill Cottages
Head: John A SLATER 25, Coal Porter, b Colby Norfolk
Wife: Mary SLATER 22, b Brompton Yorks
Dau: Eliza SLATER 1, b Scarbro Yorks
Boarder: Joseph ROBINSON 25, marr, Labourer, b Gowland Yorks
Visit: Eliza SLATER 14, Scholar, b Cloughton Yorks

Looks like Eliza is the first child, unless there is possibly one not at home or who had not survived much past birth/infancy.

There is a marriage of a John Alfred SLATER to a Mary FOSTER Scarboro 1879.
(The other couple on the page are Thomas H DILLON/Sarah E SAXBY who are in 1881 Census with SAXBY inlaws)

And I believe Mary FOSTER born abt 1860 Brompton is quite visible in the 1861/1871Census for Brompton as the daughter of William (Farm Labourer, b 1814 Brompton) and Jane (b 1831 Sherburn) FOSTER - the SLATER/FOSTER marriage would first confirm if this is correct father for her.

But before this, on the SLATER side,  it's getting murky!

I can't find a John Alfred SLATER b abt 1855 Col(e)by Norfolk, with or without middle name or initial - in either the 1861 or 1871, or indeed any other SLATER born in that place : except:

In 1871, I find this, which may be him just using (or Employer has used) just middle name:

1871: Wykeham Yorkshire
RD :Scarborough, Sub-RD:Hutton Bushell
REF: Class: RG10; Piece: 4820; Folio: 9; Page: 12;
ADDRESS: Grange
Serv: Alfred SLATER 15, Groom Domestic, b Colby Yorks
One of a number of employees of: William HOPPER 58,  Farmer of 450 Acres

And this looks like the visiting SLATER girl of the 1881 Census, in 1871:

1871: Cloughton Yorkshire
RD :Scarborough
REF: Class: RG10; Piece: 4818; Folio: 134; Page: 6
ADDRESS: Beck Lane
Head: Samuel SLATER 40, Farm Labourer, b Engith? Norfolk
Wife: Margaret SLATER 40, b Annworth Norfolk
Dau: Eliza SLATER 4, b Cloughton Norfolk (sic - per ditto)
Dau: Elizabeth A SLATER 1, b Cloughton Norfolk (sic - per ditto)

and Samuel's in  same place in 1881:

1881: Cloughton  Yorkshire 
RD : Scarborough 
REF:Class: RG11; Piece: 4806; Folio: 104; Page: 9; Line
ADDRESS: 4 Beck Lane
Head: Samuel SLATER 50, Quarryman, b Suffield Norfolk
Wife: Margaret SLATER 49, b Hansworth, Yorks
Dau: Elizabeth SLATER 10, b Cloughton Yorks
Dau: Margaret SLATER 6, b Cloughton Yorks

But, then I have trouble finding even this Samuel in the 1861, thinking he may be John Alfred's father.

Maybe someone with bigger & better eyes can identify your John Alfred in 1861, and this Samuel too?  The fact I can't spot either of them - perhaps name has been very mistranscribed on indexes.....

CHeers
AMBLY

[AMBLY]

Bah!!! It always happens 
I think I did just find them in 1861 - mistranscribed indeed, as: STAUGHTER, and enumerated as SLAUGHTER:

1861: Colby  Norfolk 
RD: Aylsham  , Sub-RD : Buxton 
REF: Class: RG9; Piece: 1206; Folio: 133; Page: 3;
ADDRESSL: By Suffield Road
Head: Samuel SLAUGHTER 33, Ag Lab, b Ingworth Norfolk
Wife: Margaret SLAUGHTER 32, b Hansworth Norfolk
Son: John A SLAUGHTER 7, b Colby Norfolk
Dau: Mary H SLAUGHTER 3, b Colby Norfolk
Bro of Wife: Charles ROWE 25, unm, Ag Lab, b Hansworth Norfolk

So looks to me like the 14 yr old Eliza with John in 1881, is his young sister....?

"SLAUGHTER"  isn't a 'mistake' - here is 1851, before any babbies came along!?

1851: Colby, Norfolk
Rd: Aylsham  , Sub-RD: Eynsford 
REF:Class: HO107; Piece: 1810; Folio: 367; Page: 8
ADDRESS: (Parish of Colby)
Head: Samuel SLAUGHTER 23, Labourer, b Ingworth Norfolk
Wife: Margaret SLAUGHTER 22, Labourers Wife, b Hansworth Norfolk

Despite the emergence of "SLAUGHTER" as an alternate form of the surname,  Alfred SLATER in 1871 is still the closest one I can find to be your John Alfred SLATER/SLAUGHTER.


Cheers
AMBLY

[Will Marshall]

Thanks ambly for the additional census results. im going up to scarborough soonish and might be able to put some faces to these names.

Thanks for all your help.

Will

[Spoddendale]

Hello Will

I am David Slater, the Great Grandson of John Alfred Slater.

My daughter, Jane Slater, has also been researching the Slater family history.

Regards
David