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Re: Looking for Welsh Penny's
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 28 September 06 16:08 BST (UK) »
There's no sign of a No 30 (let alone 30A); it would have been on the north side of Cowbridge Road, roughly where the hospital is.
       But I've discovered that it only became a hospital in 1948 as part of the new NHS. It was built in 1839 as a workhouse and after 1930 the city council took it over as City Lodge Public Assistance Institution.
      A map from the 1880s shows there were houses along the road on the city side of the place, so No 30 was probably one of them. They've all been demolished and replaced by new blocks of flats and offices.
    Gareth
Scott, Dowdeswell (Merthyr Tydfil), Jones (Loughor and Merthyr Vale), Roberts (Nelson), Prichard (Collenna and Cefn Fforest); Evan Roberts (Corwen and Amlwch); Scott (Pentre); Scott (Ancrum); Thomas (Pantywaun and Bedlinog); Morgan Jones (Ystradfellte); Bowen (Loughor); Jenkins (Bridgend); Thomas Dowdeswell (b. Gloucester, 1829).

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Re: Looking for Welsh Penny's
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 28 September 06 16:18 BST (UK) »
Many, many thanks .
off to google City Lodge Public Assistance Institution now.
If you need any info about Paddington/ west London, thats where I'm based now, so feel free to ask.
Again many thanks.

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« Reply #11 on: Thursday 28 September 06 16:35 BST (UK) »
I've just googled City Lodge Public Assistance Institution
and am amazed.
I'm laughing and crying at the same time.
How the heck do I tell the family???
many, many thanks again.
I also managed to find some photo's on the web which are fascinating.

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« Reply #12 on: Thursday 28 September 06 16:51 BST (UK) »
Unless you find some other evidence I wouldn't assume that your mother was born in the Institution. There must be about 400/500 yards of road before the first numbered building today (No 56 I think it was) and as I said the old map shows there was a row of houses near the hospital building.
    If it turns out she was born there, she has had some celebrated people following in her wake: the main (listed) building is now luxury flats. Charlotte Church had one of them before buying a house and moving in with her Gav, while Billie Piper rented another while filming Dr Who.
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Scott, Dowdeswell (Merthyr Tydfil), Jones (Loughor and Merthyr Vale), Roberts (Nelson), Prichard (Collenna and Cefn Fforest); Evan Roberts (Corwen and Amlwch); Scott (Pentre); Scott (Ancrum); Thomas (Pantywaun and Bedlinog); Morgan Jones (Ystradfellte); Bowen (Loughor); Jenkins (Bridgend); Thomas Dowdeswell (b. Gloucester, 1829).

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Re: Looking for Welsh Penny's
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 28 September 06 17:06 BST (UK) »
I am keeping an open mind but knowing my mother's secrecy abouy her past nothing would surprise me. Would they put the Institution on the Birth certificate or would they put the address, as every one would know the Institution and the feelings attached to it?
More googling and research I think.

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« Reply #14 on: Thursday 28 September 06 17:24 BST (UK) »
Do you know the names of the informants on the birth cert? I was assuming they were her parents, but if they were and had a house in Moordale Road why would she be born in the Institution? If she was born at the Institution, it would presumably have been the staff there who would register her - and they would most likely have given the Institution address rather than that of a private house.
   I don't want to dampen your horror/excitement at the possibility, but I still think it's unlikely she was born at the Institution.
   Perhaps you could try the electoral register for the appropriate year and see if there were any voters listed under 30A.
   Gareth
Scott, Dowdeswell (Merthyr Tydfil), Jones (Loughor and Merthyr Vale), Roberts (Nelson), Prichard (Collenna and Cefn Fforest); Evan Roberts (Corwen and Amlwch); Scott (Pentre); Scott (Ancrum); Thomas (Pantywaun and Bedlinog); Morgan Jones (Ystradfellte); Bowen (Loughor); Jenkins (Bridgend); Thomas Dowdeswell (b. Gloucester, 1829).

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Re: Looking for Welsh Penny's
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 28 September 06 17:37 BST (UK) »
I will do that. Well find someone who can look for me!
The informants were both parents.
 The date of the registration is 24/11 and the DoB is 9/10 so they left it to the last minute. I  wonder if her mother had a difficult pregnancy and/or delivery and needed more medical help than a midwife could provide and/or there wasn't the money to pay for the Doctor. No NHS in those days.

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« Reply #16 on: Monday 02 October 06 16:49 BST (UK) »
Oh, all right then!
I'm planning to visit the local record office either tomorrow or Wednesday (depending on the weather) - let me know which year your mother was born and if I have time I'll check out who (or what) was at 30A then.
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    Gareth
Scott, Dowdeswell (Merthyr Tydfil), Jones (Loughor and Merthyr Vale), Roberts (Nelson), Prichard (Collenna and Cefn Fforest); Evan Roberts (Corwen and Amlwch); Scott (Pentre); Scott (Ancrum); Thomas (Pantywaun and Bedlinog); Morgan Jones (Ystradfellte); Bowen (Loughor); Jenkins (Bridgend); Thomas Dowdeswell (b. Gloucester, 1829).

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Re: Looking for Welsh Penny's
« Reply #17 on: Monday 02 October 06 22:01 BST (UK) »
Hi, Mum was born in 1937. If you could look it would be brilliant, many thanks. I hope the weather is a bit dryer in Cardiff than London! Didn't the Blues do well against Wasps on Saturday? Even if the BBC managed to miss the first try of the second half due to technical difficulties!
Karen.