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Looking for Welsh Penny's
« on: Thursday 28 September 06 11:26 BST (UK) »
Hi, I have recently discovered that my my maternal Grandmother was a Penny.
I am very short of information about her. I know her name  her husbands and her children's names .I also know her daughters DOB's I can't find any certificates for her. So, if anyone else has Cardiff Penny's in their tree, could they see if Miriam Emma Penny is there? She was having children from 1935 and she died in either 1980 or 1981 (Cardiff, probably the Clive Street area). Apologies if its not enough information and many thanks for reading this.
Also what does UD in a Cardiff address from the 30's mean please?

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Re: Looking for Welsh Penny's
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 28 September 06 11:43 BST (UK) »
Welcome to Rootschat, Queenwillow.
 Can you give the 30s Cardiff address in full so that we can see where the UD comes. It might help us work it out.
   Regards, Gareth
Scott, Dowdeswell (Merthyr Tydfil), Jones (Loughor and Merthyr Vale), Roberts (Nelson), Prichard (Collenna and Cefn Fforest); Evan Roberts (Corwen and Amlwch); Scott (Pentre); Scott (Ancrum); Thomas (Pantywaun and Bedlinog); Morgan Jones (Ystradfellte); Bowen (Loughor); Jenkins (Bridgend); Thomas Dowdeswell (b. Gloucester, 1829).

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Re: Looking for Welsh Penny's
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 28 September 06 11:52 BST (UK) »
Cowbridge Road, UD          and
Moordale Road Cardiff UD
both copied from the birth certificate. I always thought that the family was in the Grangetown/ Tiger bay area. Mam tells of being in the year below Shirley Bassey at school.

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« Reply #3 on: Thursday 28 September 06 12:37 BST (UK) »
I guess it must stand for Urban District, but I'm not sure. Urban Districts were usually small towns, while Cardiff has had city status since 1905.
     You're right on Grangetown - Moordale Road is there, although Cowbridge Road (depending on where in a very long road it is) is either Canton or Ely.
     But if your mum was in the same school as Shirley Bassey, that suggests she lived in Splott, the other side of Butetown ("Tiger Bay") from Grangetown. Despite the legend of Bassey the girl from Tiger Bay, she left there when she was two and was raised in Splott (I assume that name was not quite as romantic-sounding!).
    I believe she went to school at Moorland and later at Splott Secondary: are you sure it wasn't Moorland Road your mother lived?
   Gareth
Scott, Dowdeswell (Merthyr Tydfil), Jones (Loughor and Merthyr Vale), Roberts (Nelson), Prichard (Collenna and Cefn Fforest); Evan Roberts (Corwen and Amlwch); Scott (Pentre); Scott (Ancrum); Thomas (Pantywaun and Bedlinog); Morgan Jones (Ystradfellte); Bowen (Loughor); Jenkins (Bridgend); Thomas Dowdeswell (b. Gloucester, 1829).

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Re: Looking for Welsh Penny's
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 28 September 06 12:55 BST (UK) »
Hi, I was getting very confused.
The birth cert says
Born at Cowbridge Road
Residence of informants is Moordale Road
 Mum always described herself as coming from Clive Street/ Tiger Bay/ Grangetown - depending on who she was talking to. Each of these seem to be in a different area, which means trying to trace the family is impossible. Her father was Danish, so tracing him is very difficult.

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« Reply #5 on: Thursday 28 September 06 14:36 BST (UK) »
Perhaps the "born at Cowbridge Road" means she was born at St David's Hospital, which is in that road (it's now fancy flats), though I'm not sure if it was ever a maternity hospital.
   Presumably the informants were her parents, so the family home was in Moordale Road.
   Clive Street is Grangetown, OK, and not far from Moordale Road.
   Perhaps there was a little bit of wishful thinking when it comes to the Bay and La Bassey! Grangetown is the other side of the river from Butetown (Tiger Bay) and somehow lacked the glamour and feeling of walking on the wild side that we used to get on the occasions we went down the Bay.
   Gareth
Scott, Dowdeswell (Merthyr Tydfil), Jones (Loughor and Merthyr Vale), Roberts (Nelson), Prichard (Collenna and Cefn Fforest); Evan Roberts (Corwen and Amlwch); Scott (Pentre); Scott (Ancrum); Thomas (Pantywaun and Bedlinog); Morgan Jones (Ystradfellte); Bowen (Loughor); Jenkins (Bridgend); Thomas Dowdeswell (b. Gloucester, 1829).

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Re: Looking for Welsh Penny's
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 28 September 06 14:43 BST (UK) »
I have discovered that my mam  could 'massage' the truth to suit herself, so I approach my memories of her with great care.
The address at Cowbridge Road was 30A, I've presumed it was the midwife's as this is before the NHS adn it wsn't compulsory to go to hospital as it was in later years.

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« Reply #7 on: Thursday 28 September 06 15:01 BST (UK) »
I'm not too far from Cowbridge Road, so, as it's stopped raining, the sun's coming out and I need to call at Tescos, I'll go around that way and check what No 30 looks like. See you later!
   Gareth
Scott, Dowdeswell (Merthyr Tydfil), Jones (Loughor and Merthyr Vale), Roberts (Nelson), Prichard (Collenna and Cefn Fforest); Evan Roberts (Corwen and Amlwch); Scott (Pentre); Scott (Ancrum); Thomas (Pantywaun and Bedlinog); Morgan Jones (Ystradfellte); Bowen (Loughor); Jenkins (Bridgend); Thomas Dowdeswell (b. Gloucester, 1829).

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Re: Looking for Welsh Penny's
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 28 September 06 16:00 BST (UK) »
OH
Thankyou.
 :)