1841 census Potts Cramlington

[jackspratt]

Thanks Michael

I've noted those.

The extraordinary thing here is that if the wife of the 1798Mitford JJ was Mary Watson, who was born in Horton, her mother was probably Isabel Atley who married Robert Watson in Horton in 1793. So the naming pattern continues to apply. John/Mary's first daughter was called Isabella.

There's an odd aura of doom beginning to hang over this enquiry - as if it isn't meant to be resolved.

I have details of Morpeth 1798 JJ for 1861 and 71.

 I have John / Mary's son George as marrying a girl from Ulgham, Jane Cook. Although he was born in Woodhorn, in the 1861 and 1881 censuses he says he was born in Morpeth. He appears to be a colliery joiner in North Seaton, despite having still been an Ag. lab aged 17. Unlikely? I can't see his older brother John being able to switch to blacksmith at age 19+, can you? Or have I picked up the wrong one the one you found being the right one? 

They had another son Robert in 1844 but I've not been able to find out what became of him.

It's all very difficult but the balance of probability is with John/Martha I feel. There's little to swing it the other way. I don't think there was a concrete statement that John/Martha's John was born in Mitford - just that his sisters were - so it still leaves Seaton Delaval open. We know his parents were out that way.

I think your mission may well be accomplished, don't you?

It's back to kicking the cat and sudoku for amusement.

Again, many thanks.

Jack

[Michael Dixon]

Jack, the vicar of Mitford wrote in his church register that in his church he baptised a John Johnson, on 15 Nov 1829, who was born to John  and Martha Johnson of Low Highley ( a couple of parishes away from Seaton Delaval)

But he does not state where this child was born.

But in the baptismal reocrds of the children of John /Martha on eirther side of John's bapt , (Robert and Isabella) he has their residence also as Low Highley.


I have come across instances where a child was born in place A but baptised a few months later at church in place B, as the family had moved.

But this is not the case here.

Michael (still looking for more clues)

[jackspratt]

Once more, thanks Michael

This JJ/Martha family is proving very difficult to locate in the IGI.

The Latter Day Saints site provides the the batch numbers for Mitford christenings - P000731 - and I was hoping to find the daughters there but couldn't, nor are Robert or John so obviously the records are not complete. I know that they can be inaccurate but didn't expect entries to be missed.

Did you get your information through Ancestry?

It's beginning to sound as if it might be worth subscribing, although until I came to this confusion I thought I'd broken the back of my researches.

There's an odd reluctance everywhere to putting down in writing where blacksmith John was born. The conspiracy theorists would have a - well, theory - I suppose.

I'm grateful for your persistance.

Jack

[Michael Dixon]

Jack,

I used to visit County Record Offices ( Nbl, Durham, Tyne & Wear, Cleveland) and larger libraries, to dig for the three main sources of info for Fam Hist... Censuses, BMD Registrations and Church records of Bapts, Marriages, Burials... several times a week.

But because of the increasing amount of info on line, I usually only get to "physical" archives to search church records, of which there is not a lot on line..... but growing.

But for Censuses ( 1841-1901) info , I use a commercial web site for ancestry searching.

Michael

[jackspratt]

You should be doing it professionally - I'll give you a reference.

There's money in it, you know.

Nick Barret? An amateur by comparison.

Jack

[Michael Dixon]

Jack, I sleep well every night, with a clear conscience !

Michael

[jackspratt]

Hello Michael

The Martha Patterson we're looking for appears to be the one in the IGI christened b. 1 Feb 1797 christened 13 Feb 1797 at Ulgham daughter of JNO. Patterson and ISABLE.

John says he was born in Washington but I can't find him there yet. I have a Durham contact who goes to the record office fairly frequently. Do you think I dare ask him to look knowing what you've been through?

Jack

[Michael Dixon]

Jack,

I think you should access any source to get the whole picture !

I have not searched Washington Parish records ( marriages are on line on www.genuki.org.uk ........ Co Durham Parishes)

Michael

[jackspratt]

Hello Michael

I dare say you hoped you'd seen the last of the Johnsons but if I may I'd like to refer to you just once more.

You suggested in your reply of 30th Sept. that indications in a later census suggested that John could be the illegitimate child of Sarah.

I wonder if you would mind letting me have the details of that census?

Is it possible you have 1871 census details available for John and Martha or had they left the scene by then?

I'm having problems taking Johnsons further back than 1799 John. Despite his saying he was born in Washington there doesn't appear to be any record of this though there was a presence of Johnsons there for a lot of years previously. So I'd like to flesh out his family as much as I can though even they too are proving elusive.

His wife's family, the Pattersons and Forrests are a bit more accessible. There's an interesting source on Ulgham (which you might have already seen of course). It's at http://ulgham.tripod.com/ulgen/ulgenPQ.htm 

Many thanks

Jack