Cory's from Deal

[AJ100]

Hello Jeff,
Here's part 3. Ignore the differences in the spelling of Bailey.

30/6/1855 St George's Church, Deal.
George Larkins BAYLY, Horse Keeper of Middle Street, son of William BAYLEY, Waterman
married Jane Elizabeth BROWN of West Street, daughter of Thomas BROWN, Labourer

Children of George and Jane Elizabeth BAILEY. George's occupation and adress on right. Dates, as usual, are of Baptism.

10/10/1855    John Springhall     (St Andrew's)                                    Flyman, Peter Street
  7/3/1858      Sarah Jane           (St George's)                                    Ostler, Primrose Hill
  1/7/1860      Emma Elizabeth   (St George's)                                    Coachman, Primrose Hill

Unhappy about the next as there is a 15 year gap. There are no baptisms in other churches. The occupations are compatible so I will put them in. All Baptised St George's.
 
  4/2/1875      Emily Elizabeth                                                             Carman, S.E.R, 4.Gravel Walk
  8/6/1877      Jane Ethel                                                                    Carman, S.E.R, 4, Gravel Walk   
11/5/1879      George William                                                             Carman, S.E.R  40, Wellington Road
10/8/1881      Frederick James                                                            Carman, S.E.R  40, Wellington Road
  8/9/1886      Esther Louisa                                                               Carman, S.E.R.  40, Wellington Road   

Regards

AJ             

[Jeff Holzgrefe]

Dear AJ,

Thank you ever so much for the latest information on the Baileys of Deal.

Unfortunately, there may be a problem here.  There's a discussion of this family in another post "Marriage Look-up Please" on RootsChat.com (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,185451.0.html).  Long story short; although Charles HENRY Bailey and Annie Pitcher are listed as the parents of Wallace James Bailey, the only recorded marriage is between Charles ROBERT Bailey and Annie Pitcher in 1903.  Charles Henry Bailey and Charles ROBERT Bailey are two different chaps who happened to be born live, and work in Deal at exactly the same time.  Karen Mapp who began this post thinks that the marriage certificate is correct and the birth certificate is wrong and I'm inclined to agree.  What do you think?

Regards,

Jeff Holzgrefe

 

[AJ100]

Very puzzling, Jeff

The marriage records of St George's after 1880 are lost and Charles and Annie didn't marry in any other local church.
Baptism records show children for Charles Henry & Annie where he is names as Charles Henry on every entry, but none at all for Charles Robert.
Very mysterious how the Robert got in there - I can't find a mention of him at all.

Regards

AJ

[AJ100]

Dear Jeff

Have given this much thought since yesterday, examined PR's again and come up with the same answer.

Karen Mapp says her Great Grandmother was Elizabeth Rose Pitcher whom Wallace James Bailey had married. I have traced Wallace's line backwards from there and am happy that the line I have is the right one.

I can find no mention in the Parish Records of Charles Robert Bailey, indicating that, while he may well have lived in Deal, he did not produce any offspring. Nor was he baptised here. Another Charles Henry, a Charles Stephen, two Harry's and a Charles Herbert but no Charles Robert.

If you are happy that the person known as Charles Henry is the one relevant to your enquiry, I will continue to provide information.
It is my opinion that Charles Robert is nothing to do with this family line, though possibly connected further back.

Should you wish, I will send part 4, parents and siblings of George Larkins BAYLY.

Kind Regards

AJ

[Jeff Holzgrefe]

Dear AJ,

You are almost certainly correct about Charles HENRY Bailey being the father of Wallace James Bailey.  Nevertheless, just to be entirely certain, I think I'll send off for the marriage certificate of Annie Pitcher and Charles R. Bailey of 1903.  It could be that the groom's name in the index is incorrect (http://extranet3.kent.gov.uk/sp/rois/details.cfm?Submit=Marriage&Register=D/15/2%20%20%20%20&Entry_Number=146%20%20&Forename=Annie%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20&Surname=PITCHER).  I'll let you know what, if anything, I discover.

In the meantime, would you be so kind as to research the Pitcher line of the family?  Perhaps that may be simpler.

Once again thanks for all your help.

Jeff Holzgrefe

 

[AJ100]

Thank you for that, Jeff. Will contact when I have  discovered relevant info.

egards

AJ

[Karen Mapp]

Good morning, I already have the marriage certificate - somewhere amongst all my paperwork. I'm in the process of sorting through it to pass on to Jeff and am more than happy to send it to you too, or upload, whichever is the preference. Will aim to sort it out by the weekend. As a side note, the Pitcher's come into the family a couple of times.

[Karen Mapp]

Just found it - from a moment of inspiration of realising where I put it. Details as follows :- Charles Robert Bailey (19) married Annie Pitcher (21). Fathers were Willie Bailey and John Pitcher, both watermen - so would fit with Charles Henry. 6th September 1903.

[Jeff Holzgrefe]

Thanks Karen,

I'll continue to process all this and get back to you.

Best ones,

Jeff