Celts descend from Spanish

[Timbottawa]

I thought that the Moorish --> Morris etymology was a long-established fact.

[Comosus]

Well from what I already understand, celts originated from mainland Europe in the France/Germany region.

Andrew

[kateblogs]

That sounds very interesting, I may even fork out for a copy of the book. 

About the Morris dancing/Moorish connection - about 6 months ago I came across this while doing some research for an article I was writing. I don't if it is established fact, but the evidence for it is very convincing. There are other theories about the origins of the Morris, but the Moorish one seems to have most evidence to back it up.

Kate

[Malmo]

I’m wondering if elements of Welsh, Cornish, Irish, and to a lesser extent Scottish society are amused by this revelation. I thought their links to the Basques, Catalans and folk from Brittany through physical similarities and a near common language were long established.
I’m sure the DNA analysis will be very interesting but I have a feeling that our black haired cousins won’t be too surprised by all this. After all, they have been celebrating their cultural ties for a long, long time.
Is someone selling a book or something?
M
ps: here is some information about the origin of Morris/Morrice


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[RJ_Paton]

From http://www.streetswing.com/histmain/z3moris.htm

English Morris dancing has a great and mixed history when compared to other dances. The name is derived from the Morisco (>môriskoz,) a dance peculiar to the >Moors and shows that the dance did have a Moorish beginning. The Morisco which it was often called was a Spanish name for a Moor or Moorish (Africa) or Spanish Muslim (Spain,) who after the country was re-conquered after the legendary Charlemagne and Tamer lane battle (Christian Re-conquest 11-15th. Century) remained there and became Christian (Moorish period.) The Moors who had become subjects of Christian kings as the re-conquest progressed to the fifteenth Centuries were called >Mudéjares.

-- The Morris dance (>Tripudium Mauritanicum) was the most frequently mentioned of all the dances of the fifteenth century. In Renaissance writings it is almost always mentioned that a >Mouresca, >Morisque or >Moresque (>Arab Lambra,) or Morisco was danced and was said to be brought to England from Spain by John of Gaunt (1340-1389) brother of Edward, 'the Black Prince' during the reign of his father, Edward III (1312-1377) around 1360 AD. In the beginning, the Morris dance was a pantomime of war, depicting the struggle of the Moors and Christianity and is one of the oldest English dances to date. However, it's origin is not considered strictly English, but the modern version is.

[Malmo]

I think that has been over edited. Try this one for completeness

[Malmo]

....sigh

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[Mobo]

 

I have always understood that the 'Celts' originally came from the region we now know as Southern Russia.  I googled and found this link in a similar vein.

http://users.ev1.net/~gpmoran/mrn4.htm

 

[Timbottawa]

Quote from Malmo:

"I thought their links to the Basques, Catalans and folk from Brittany through physical similarities and a near common language were long established"

There is no near common language to Basque - it is totally unique, and from a linguistic perspective, they are therefore not related to Celts or anyone else!

I assume everyone agrees/concedes that the q-Celts being the Irish, Scots and Manx, come from a distinct branch of Celts from the p-Celts, being the Welsh, Cornish and Breton.  These represent two separate migration waves so, going back to the original article about links to the Iberians, this would appear to refer to the q-Celts.

Good to see the Morris --> Moorish link confirmed!

Cheers
Tim