Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search - Part 1

[Lodger]

EDCBA,

I'm not too sure what information you need. You say you have all the post 1860 stuff but then ask about sarah and Edward?

Alexander McCormick, cotton weaver, abode Windmillhill (Dalziel parish) aged 83 years, status - married.
Father - Edward McCormick, no mother's name given.
Burried in Cambusnethan old churchyard 21st December 1866.

There is lots of burial information about Sarah's children and grandchildren, also Edward and his 2nd wife Charlotte.
If you need that just let me know.
Have you checked this family on www.familysearch.org yet?

Regards,
Lodger.

[EDCBA]

Lodger – thank you very much for the burial info on Alexander(snr)

Apologies for being a bit all over the place. It was a really a little more than just the burial records I was looking for and I was hoping you might be able to give me a lead on these.  The absence of any OPR birth or marriage records for the family in Cambusnethan was perplexing for me.  There is minimal information on IGI for Alexander and Isabella's  family, i.e. one child listed with an approximate birth date.  The census data has actually provided me with more information.

I have all the post 1860 BMD information on Edward and his family (my direct line) but I hadn't started looking at his siblings until now.  I have information on those family members who emigrated to the USA but I had nothing on Sarah, Janet and Margaret, before I found this thread.

Some specific questions or guidance sought:
•   Do you know if there are any gaps in the Cambusnethan OPR records say from 1800-1854?
•   If not, do you know where can I find those birth and marriage records for Isabella and her 10 children when they are not available via GROS or IGI?
•   Do you have any BMD or burial records for Mary Gemmel (Edward’s 1st wife)? She died between 1856 and 1860.
•   Can you give me the burial information you have for Edward (and 2nd wife Charlotte) and family.
•   I have a lead from IGI that Sarah married an Edward Mullin/Mullen in 1854. Can you confirm that I have the correct Sarah and give me the burial records for the family.
•   Do you have anything for Margaret and Janet as the burial records would allow me to work backwards to identify the correct spouses etc.?

Thanks again.

[Lodger]

EDCBA,

This is what I found, a bit complicated but I'll try to keep it simple.
Basically, the records I have for Cambusnethan are -
1. - Lair (plot) records for the old churchyard, beginning around 1878 - 80 and ending about 1916.
2. - Pauper burials, mostly in common ground 1861 - 1881 with a gap 1869 - 70. Sometimes, if the family already had a plot (usually in the old churchyard) the pauper would be buried there and the parish would pay for the funeral.
3. - Burials in the Private Cemetery (now owned by the local authority) 1861 - 1901. This was apart from the "new" cemetery opened in the 1860s by Cambusnethan parish council - now the "modern" Cambusnethan cemetery.
4. - Daily diaries of burials in the new cemetery 1876 - 1901 and 1906 - 1916 with a few entries for 1917.

So, from these records for example, a pauper who died in 1880 and buried in a family plot in the old churchyard, will show up twice. Once in the plot records, which only give plot owner's name, deceased's name, age, date of internment and position in the plot (usually north, south or centre and depth). Pauper will also appear in the records of internments of paupers, giving name, age, occupation, district of abode, marital status, parents names and date of burial - if all this information is known.

The name "Mullan" is here sometimes transcribed as Millen, it appears too often to be a transcription error, it is more likely to be how it was spoken by the "Millens" themselves.
This is the family of Mullens that Sarah married into, we know that from the internment in that plot of your ancestor Edward in 1881.

So, 1st of all, here is the residents of a family plot in the old churchyard of Cambusnethan. The owner (in Victorian times) was Edward Millen.

In the South lair -
ELIZABETH McCORMACK, aged 10 months, interred 7th June 1880.
MARY WALKER, aged 2 weeks, interred 26th Feb 1885.
ROBERT WALKER, aged 20 months, interred 16th April 1886.
FLORA McKAY WALKER, aged 18 months, interred 29th July 1887.
SARAH WALKER, aged 2 years, interred 10th July 1880.
FLORA McKAY WALKER, aged 4 years, interred 20th July 1880.
SAMUEL WALKER, aged 1 year, interred 24th August 1889.
In the Centre lair -
GEORGE LINDSAY, aged 2 months, interred 4th Sept 1880.
EDWARD McCORMACK, aged 51 years, interred 20th January 1881.
JOHN DAVIES, aged 5 months, interred 25th October 1881.
EDWARD McCORMACK WALKER, aged 1 year, interred 31st March 1882.
EDWARD M CHALMERS, aged 17 months, interred 9th August 1880.
ALEXANDER WALKER, aged 8 months, interred 9th March 1891.
In the North lair -
WILLIAM MILLEN, aged 21 years, interred 4th October 1883.
EDWARD MILLEN, aged 73 years, interred 28th January 1891.
JOHN McCORMACK, aged 26 years, interred 20th September 1882.
JANET KERR, aged 3 weeks, interred 2nd July 1895.

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[Lodger]

EDBCA Continued ---

From the paupers burial book -

EDWARD McCORMICK, miner, Dalserf, aged 51 years, married.
Parents - Alexander McCormick and Isabella Rodger.
Interred in old churchyard 20th January 1881.

STILLBORN MALE MULLEN, Newmains.
Parents - Edward Mullen and Sarah McCormick.
Interred in old churchyard 11th June 1869.

CHARLOTTE McCORMICK, dalserf (Netherburn), aged 6 years.
Parents - Edward McCormick and Charlotte Graham.
Interred in old churchyard 21st January 1875.

STILLBORN FEMALE McCORMICK, Overtown.
Parents - Edward McCormick and Charlotte Graham.
Interred in old churchyard 19th June 1878.

ELIZABETH McCORMICK, Overtown, aged 10 months.
Parents - Edward McCormick and Charlotte Graham.
Interred in old churchyard 7th June 1880.

GEORGE LINDSAY, Overtown, aged 2 months.
Parents - John Lindsay and Isabella McCormick.
Interred in old churchyard 4th September 1880.

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From the daily register of the new cemetery -

JOHN MULLEN, briquette worker, Cambusnethan, aged 50 years, married.
Parents - Edward Mullen and Sarah McCormick.
Interred in plot 2340 section C. 10th May 1915.
Plot owned by Mrs Christine Rae or Mullen, 22 Anderson Street, Cambusnethan.

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Someone is researching the Mullen family on familysearch.org
From that site -
Janet Mullin born Newmains, 16th July 1866.
Parents - Edward Mullin born Newmains 4th July 1825 died 25th January 1890. and Sarah McCormick born 31st October 1826 died 18th December 1919. They married at Dalziel 7th November 1854.
Janet Mullin married Duncan Stewart and she died at Craigview, (probably the name of a house) Sandford, Scotland. The only Sandford I know of is between Stonehouse and Strathaven, here in Lanarkshire.
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Can't find anything on Edward's 1st wife, all I can see is that he married Charlotte at Dalziel 1st June 1860.

As for gaps in the OPRs, I would say that Cambusnethan baptism register was pretty good, but perhaps the McCormicks were Catholic? or even non-conformists, such as Episcopalians, Baptists, Free Church of Scotland etc. Most of these records are on Scotlandspeople. I wonder how the Mullin researcher found Sarah's date of birth to be 1826?

Don't see any obvious Janet's or Margaret's, siblings of Edward in the burial records. There is a Margaret McCormick and her spouse Thomas Palmer recorded as being the parents of Neilson Palmer, buried in common ground at Cambusnethan in 1866. The address then was Muirhouse (Newmains) and then another child of the same name buried in 1875, this time the abode is Glasgow.

Hope this makes some sense1

Lodger

[EDCBA]

Thanks Lodger - you help has been most appreciated.   

I will now try and make sense of what you have given me, by identifying the various families and marriages, then pay another visit to Register House.

I actually drove to the cemetery (from Edinburgh) earlier today and just had a walk around to see if I could find any familiar names. The old part is in pretty poor condition but I believe that I located Sarah's grave in one of the newer sections. Certainly the 1919 death date matches that of the Millen researcher.  The plot looks like it belongs to the "Maclean" family with a Janet Maclean, Thomas Maclean, Margaret Mullen and Sarah McCormack Mullen all listed on the headstone. Sarah's age is given as 96 (b.1823?).  However, I concur with the 1826 birth date, as she was listed at age 14 in the 1841 Census.

I'm certain that the McCormicks were not Roman Catholics as I have records for several of the marriages of Alexander/Isabella's children, two with banns in the Established Church of Scotland at Cambusnethan and Larkhall, one in the United Presbyterian Church Larkhall plus Edward's 2nd marriage in the Methodist church, Dalziel.  One of the son's wives was actually employed as a domestic servant at Cambusnethan Manse.

Thanks again

[grandma]

Hi Lodger.

Hope you can help me with this one.

My gr. gr. grandfather George Craig, age 69, died May 16,1898, Newmains. Wonder if you have anything for him at the Cambusnathan cemetary. His wife Mary Fulton Craig d. 22 Feb. 1870, Quarter, Hamilton. Any idea where she would be buried? There was also at least 2 children who also died in Hamilton.

We`re planning a trip to Scotland in Aug. and hoping to find some graves to visit.

Mary

[Lodger]

Hi Mary, the only entry I could find was for a son of George and Mary. I don't have all the records, perhaps you should contact North Lanarkshire Council Cemeteries service, and for Hamilton try Hamilton Public Library reference department in Cadzow Street, they have the Day Book for the Bent cemetery on microfilm.
The only Cambusnethan entry is this one -

WILLIAM CRAIG. Furnace keeper, 16 Branchal Road Cambusnethan, aged 61 years, married.
Parents - George Craig and Mary Fulton.
Interred in plot 2136 section E, 28th July 1916.
Plot owned by William Ferguson, cement worker, 1 Hope Street Cambusnethan.

Regards ....... Lodger

[grandma]

Hi Lodger.

Thanks for your reply. I`ll see what I can find  with those 2 contacts.

Yes, you have given me the info re. William Craig some months back.

Cheers.

Mary.

[JayGirl]

Hi Lodger,
I'm just new to this site and have been reading all the messages and was wondering if you would mind looking up a burial for me please.  My gg grandmother's name was Margaret Mitchell (ms Paterson), wife of William Mitchell.  The family were living in Cambusnethan in 1851 but I haven't yet been able to locate her death/burial records.
Many thanks for your time
Janie