Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search - Part 1

[Angieb1314]

Still waiting to hear back from annebarr whp previously posted looking for information about Kane / Cain / Kaine's - they're all part of the same family tree as mine so looking forward to comparing noteson family links!!

[lud]

Hi Fern,
no credits left for Scotlandspeople.gov, but there is one death for Agnes Stewart
other surnames, Logan age 28 in 1871, this may be her, but you would have to subscribe to view the certificate
Lud

[Angieb1314]

Where are you annebarr?

[greenapple]

Thank you for your wonderful findings on the Paterson cemetery location.  I have read some of your entries describing common ground plots for paupers, which I certainly assumed for my relatives. 

I also had mistyped the parents name---Paterson names are swirling about me, and was my error.  Your information is correct.

Since John died relative to a mine accident, would the mine owner provided a grave?

The Bullock family from whom I descend is out of Baldernoch, Scotland---I don't know where that is in relation to Cambusnethan.

Should you ever have a brief moment, could you please check another relative who should be buried there.  Again, a miner and again poor.
Husband: Francis Gormill (Gormil) born in either 1828 or 1824 in Ireland but resided in Cambusnethan.
Wife: Margaret Neilson Gormil born either in 1833 or 1828
My great great great grandmother, Janet Gormil Paterson, was the only one to leave Scotland. Other children Joseph, George, John, Francis, James and Peter all stayed and died in Cambusnethan---I know Peter and George are there as my father has visited the cemetery.

I don't know why it pleased me so that these folks had an actual plot but I am grateful for your information.

Donna (Green Apple)

[Lodger]

Hi Donna,

Here is a link to a very good website
http://www.scottishmining.co.uk/index.html

There would have been absolutely no chance of a mine owner buying a plot for a deceased miner in those days. The widow, unless she had someone else in the house working for the same owner, would have had to vacate the squalid little house within a few weeks, no exceptions were made.

I don't know a place called Baldernoch but there is a Baldernock just north of Glasgow, a tiny village at the foot of the Campsie hills. It would be possible that a family would have moved from there to Wishaw for work, it was a very industrial area here in those days (Maggie Thatcher put paid to that).

I have a feeling that Gormill may have changed to Gorman later on but I can't really prove it - yet.

I found 9 internments but they are all children. Some records are missing, especially around 1902 - 1905, so the adults may have slipped through!  What records I have end at 1916 - 1917, so the ones that your dad mention may have died after that.  Here are the children -

MARGARET GORMILL. Chapel, aged 13 hours.
parents - Francis Gormill and Margaret Nelson.
Interred in public ground 12th March 1875.

ALICE PATERSON. Morningside, aged 2 weeks.
Parents - Adam Paterson and Janet Gormill.
Interred in public ground 21st January 1880.

JANE S GORMILL.  Morningside, aged 5 weeks.
Parents - Francis Gormill and Isabella Napier.
Interred in public ground 1st April 1907.

STILLBORN MALE NICOL. Morningside.
Parents - William Nicol and Isabella Gormill.
Interred in public ground 20th May 1911.

FRANCIS GORMILL. Morningside, aged 4 years.
Parents - Andrew Gormill and Margaret Bell.
Interred Section E.2326.  25th April 1914.
Plot owner - Andrew Gormill, coal miner.  2 Binnie's Row, Morningside.

CATHERINE GORMILL. Morningside, aged 1 year and 7 months.
Parents - Francis Gormill and Catherine Gallocher.
Interred Section E.2326.  29th March 1915.

MARGARET GORMILL THOMSON. Morningside, aged 7 months.
Parents - George Thomson and Margaret Gormill.
Interred Section E.2326.  29th March 1915.

STILLBORN MALE GORMILL. Morningside.
Parents - Andrew Gormill and Margaret Bell.
Interred Section E.2326.  12th April 1915.

JANE S GORMILL. Morningside, aged 5 weeks.
Parents - Francis Gormill and Isabella Napier.
Interred in public ground 1st April 1917.

That's all I could find, hope it helps. I did see another entry, again, for a child, the parents were "George Thomson and Maggie GORMAN".

Lodger.

[greenapple]

Lodger,

Thank you, once again you have filled in a couple of missing pieces.  You found a missing child that we did not have record of for Adam and Janet Paterson, you also found a missing child of of Francis and Margaret Gormill---I am certain these belong to our family.  I also think these others have some yet unknown connection which I may never be able to establish.

You were right, the two Gormill brothers died after your records.  George died in 1943 and Peter Gormill in 1945. Did they stop keeping cemetery records after 1916-1917 in the Cambusnethan Cemetery, or are the records just not prepared for the computer as of yet?

These name changes are interesting to me in the 1871 census they are listed as Gormill, in 1881 and 91 they are Gormall.  In the US we knew her spelling as Gormill---if they morphed into Gorman another version also.

Thank you also for clarifying that the mine would not have purchased a plot.  These details clarify but also a a piece of richness to the history of the time-sad as it may be.

Donna

[Lodger]

Donna,

Here is the link to North Lanarkshire Cemeteries admin.
http://www.northlanarkshire.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=7386

There was talk of them putting the old records on-line but who know when!
The Cambusnethan records are right up to the present day, I only have 19th century ones and a few early 20th century.

Lodger

[tazpants]

What a great thread and hats off to Lodger for his work.
Is there any chance you could check your records for me regarding some of my family. I,m afraid my details aren,t fully complete but what i have is

William Anderson  born 1841  died ?
Mother Janet Anderson nee Sneddon
Father William Anderson    (worked as collier)

Thanks so much.

[Lodger]

Hi Tazpants,

Here's what I managed to dig-up for you.

WILLIAM ANDERSON. Gravel contractor, Braehead, parish of Old Monkland. Aged 58 years, married.
Parents - William Anderson and Janet Sneddon.
Interred in the private burial ground No.389.  21st October 1908.

MARION ANDERSON. wishaw, aged 7 years.
Parents - William Anderson and Catherine Turner.
Interred in the private burial ground No.389.  30th December 1873.

CATHERINE ANDERSON.  Wishaw, aged 5 months.
Parents - William Anderson and Catherine Turner.
Interred in the private burial ground No.389.  15th April 1874.

ROBINA ANDERSON.  Wishaw, aged 11 months.
Parents - William Anderson and Catherine Turner.
Interred in the private burial ground No.389.  12th January 1876.

STILLBORN FEMALE ANDERSON. Cocket Hat.
 Parents - William Anderson and Catherine Turner.
Interred public ground in the old churchyard.  2nd January 1869.

That's all I could find.  The Cocket Hat is an area at the foot of the Kirk brae from the corner of Coltness Road for a few hundred yards, heading towards Wishaw cross. I'm sure I have an old picture somewhere, I'll try and find it.

The old "private" walled cemetery has been vandalised beyond hope, here is a picture, it covers a large part of it.

Lodger.