Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search - Part 1

[Lodger]

Mary,

The book has been out of print for almost 100 years!
Dave Mooney has a copy on his excellent Cambusnethan website, in the book section.
http://www.scotek.net/home.htm

Lodger

[Lodger]

EDCBA,

Knowetop is just a continuation of Windmillhill, not even a quarter of a mile away along the same street in the Wishaw direction.
All part of modern-day Motherwell. I expect if you used Google they could be found on a map. Delburn Street, Toll Street or Knowetop Avenue will give the Knowetop location.
Winmillhill lies between Crosshill Street and Airbles Road.

Lodger.

[grandma]

Hi Lodger.

Thanks, had a quick look and will read it later.

Cheers,

Mary

[Max39]

Hi Lodger,
Do you have anything in the cemetery records for two sons of George Prentice and Marion Sharp/Sharpe. David born 1890 120 Caledonian Road, Wishaw died after 1914 and James born 1884 at 175 Caledonian Road death after 1901. Also do you have burial for George died 5/8/1930.
Information on above would be much appreciated.
Regards
Max

[Lodger]

Hi Max,

The records I have end at 1916, so nothing for George in 1930.
There are 2 records for sons of George & Marion but not the ones you asked for!

THOMAS S PRENTICE. Driller, Wishaw, aged 24 years, married.
Parents - George Prentice and Marion Sharp.
Interred in in section E 982. 20th July 1899.

WILLIAM PRENTICE. Mason/builder, Wishaw, aged 29 years, single.
Interred in section E 982. 15th February 1911.

If you contact the Cemeteries office of North Lanarkshire Council they should be able to supply the details of other internments in this lair and the last registered owner.

Regards,

Lodger.

[DeBarre]

HI Lodger, thanks for the information and the time you spent researching, great stuff.

I am led to believe that The Hamilton's owned the estate, if so was there any special criteria for someone to be buried their?
I also noticed last week when I visited the graveyard that the dates of death on the gravestone were wrong, they both died 1856 not 1853, so I would imagine that the headstones were added to the plots a few years later or the stonemason made a big mistake!
Thomas Barrie and (Isa)Bella King both lived in Windmillhill at the time of their deaths, although prior to that in 1841 they lived at "Parkhead Farms, Dalziel", do you know where that was located?

You mentioned "The Kings" in your post, while searching through the OPR's a few years back, I noticed that there seemed to be at least 2 King families in the area, why I say that is that Isabella King was born in Cramond, Midlothian in 1789 the rest of her siblings were born after her father William King (Mason) & mother Janet Warden moved through to Dalziel, prior to this there were already Kings born in Dalziel to different parents.

Lodger, can I tax your brain further, previous generations of Barries were born in Burngrains, Dalziel, have you any idea where that may have been?Was there an even older graveyard in the area?

                                                            Regards

[Lodger]

DeBarre,

The Hamiltons did not at any time, own the burial ground, it always belonged to the ecclesiastical parish of Dalziel. Anyone, no matter what faith, was allowed to be buried there, the only criteria was that the person had to have lived in the parish.

Parkhead was an area just south of Windmillhill, where Glencairn Street runs now.
In 1808 John Barrie, Windmillhill paid to Dalzell estate £4 for a half-year's rent to Mertinmas 1808. He also paid one year's feu duty of £4.16.9d. (Martinmas, one of the Scots quarterdays)In 1810 Barry's rent and feu duty together was £8.14.8d.
In 1812 John Barry, Windmillhill paid a half-year's rent to Mertinmas and feu duty, total £4.14.9d.
In 1813 John Barry paid a half-year's rent to Whitson 1812 of £4. He also paid £1 for grass rent.
In 1808 John Barry paid property tax of 17/5d. (about 87p)
In 1809 John Barry paid property tax of 18/5.
In 1810 John Barry, Sheills, paid property tax of £8.

In 1784 Thomas Barry was a tenant-at-will at Dalziel for tax purposes. (On the estate of Dalzell).

As for Burngrains, it's where I live!
The modern spelling is Burngrange and it's in the Flemington area, just off Shields Road. (Shiells was Shields Farm).

For a very short period, there was a parish bank in the parish of Dalziel. The records are with the National Archives in Edinburgh. They only cover a few years but it does prove that certain family members, and indeed certain families, were alive and living in Dalziel at the time.
All the following have the surname Barrie and place of abode in all cases is "Windmillhill". Dates are date of 1st and last deposit.
AGNES - 3rd June 1816 - 4th November 1816.
HELEN - 8th January 1816 - 22nd December 1819.
JANET - 4th December 1815 - 16th February 1826.
JOHN junior - 4th December 1815 - 22nd December 1819.
THOMAS - 7th January 1818 - 8th August 1819.

Also -
KING ISOBEL, Windmillhill - 7th January 1818 - 3rd May 1819.

To answer your last question, there was no other burial ground in this parish.

[DeBarre]

Hi Lodger, thanks for the info regarding the land taxes & bank accounts, incredible!I know know that certain Barries were still living on certain dates!!

Are these sources easily accesible, if you don't mind me asking? I'm going through to Auld Reekie to the BD&M's search room next week, you wouldn't happen to know if there is anything else there worth looking at apart from the obvious?Ie, Archives, etc?

                                                Regards DeB

[Lodger]

DeB,
All the land tax stuff was taken from the "bundles" in the Dalzell Papers, they used to be at Motherwell Heritage Centre but may now be with North Lanarkshire Council archives at Lenziemill in Cumbernauld. Anyone from an old Dalziel family (or in your case, families) should have a good rake around these papers.
All the rentals, taxes, etc from the estate are there plus feu records, contracts, lots of names and dates.
The Dalziel Parish Bank list is at the NAS so you could qsk when you get to Register House.

Good luck,
Lodger