Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search - Part 1

[sage]

Hi Lodger,

I have another brick wall needs knocking down!  David & Christina McNab (nee Armstrong were living in Newmains in 1881 with Christina's mother, Margaret Armstrong (nee Thomson).  They had 4 daughters, Margaret, Jane, Christina & Jessie though only 2 were present in 1881 (Margaret & Christina).

Christina McNab died in Newmains Oct 1884 and her mother Margaret Armstrong died in Mar 1888 in New Stevenston.  I have not managed to trace David McNab or any of his daughters beyond the 1881 census.  I wondered if you might be able to locate some of these people in the Cambusnethan cemetery.

With thanks,
Heather.

[Lodger]

Heather,

2 burials in public ground as follows -
JANE McNAB, Newmains, aged 3 months.
Parents - David McNab and Christina Armstrong.
Interred 3rd March 1871.

ADAM McNAB, Newmains, aged 6 weeks.
Parents - David McNab and Christina Armstrong.
Interred 16th January 1878.

The following four are buried in the new cemetery, section C plot 65.
JESSIE McNAB, Newmains, aged 6 years.
Parents - David McNab and Christina Armstrong.
Interred 9th August 1880.

JAMES McNAB, Newmains, aged 4 years.
Parents - David McNab and Christina Armstrong.
Interred 11th August 1880.

CHRISTINA McNAB, housewife, Newmains, aged 40 years, married.
Parents - Adam Armstrong and Margaret Thomson.
Interred 8th October 1884.

DAVID McNAB, coalminer, Carluke, aged 53 years, married.
Parents - James McNab and Jane McQueen.
Interred 3rd June 1898.

Also, in Section C plot 117 -

ISABELLA ARMIT, Newmains, aged 12 months.
Parents - James Armit and Isabella Armstrong.
Interred 20th March 1884.

ISABELLA ARMIT, housewife, Newmains, aged 51 years, married.
Parents - Adam Armstrong and Margaret Thomson.
Interred 9th May 1899.


That's all I could find.

Lodger

[sage]

Lodger, you've done it again!  Another brickwall has crumbled thanks to the information you were able to gather on the McNabs.

Thanks so much! 

Heather.

[DeBarre]

Hello Kilsyth. The information that I gave you is on a compact disc, of all the burials in cambusnethan Graveyard from the 1600s,up to 1993, with some gaps, but unfortunately it is not for sale, if you have any other queries, I will be most happy to have a search, and if you can give me the parents names, that will be a big help.
We also have surveyed Airbles, The Globe, South Dalziel and St. Patrick's Dalzell Estate graveyards in Motherwell, if you have anybody in them.
Yours Ron.

Noticed you've surveyed St. Patricks Graveyard in the Dalzell Estate, do you have a listing of those buried within the walls?
Years ago I was shown a map of the graveyard with the names of those buried, however no names of my direct relatives( although death certs. indicated they were buried their), only removed(s), however after about 12 years I finally got round to visiting the graveyard just out of curiosity, just before leaving I thought I'd take a walk to the most distant corner and there were the gravestones of my GGGG Grandparents (Isabella King & Thomas Barrie).

[Lodger]

Hello,
First of all, the chap named Ron in your quote passed away a few years ago. (So I'm not him!)
Secondly, Ron named this burial ground "St Patrick's" which it never was. It is the site of the original, pre-reformation parish church of Dalziel, and although it is situated on Dalzell Estate, it belonged to the parish.
The original church was dedicated to St Patrick but would never have been called St Patrick's Church, it was the only place of worship in Dalziel parish and would have always been known as "the kirk".
There is a Catholic burial ground in the Motherwell area called St Patrick's, leading to much confusion.

Having said all that - the burial place of your ancestors had the monumental inscriptions transcribed about 28 years ago.
There were 2 stones situated on the large family plot belonging to the Barries.
1st inscription - "Thomas Barrie died September 1853 aged 65 years. His wife Isabella King died July 1853 aged 67 years. Their son John died December 1890 aged 79 years".

2nd inscription - "Thomas Barrie died 8th March 1885 aged 67 years. His wife Catherine McLean died 23rd May 1897 aged 65 years. Their daugter Ann died 4th July 1884 aged 27 years. Their son Robert died 31st October 1896 aged 25 years. Their son Thomas died 19th December 1906 aged 48 years".

I have a little more information about this plot, will get back to you later.
In haste .... Lodger

[Lodger]

Barrie plot.... continued.

There are, as far as I know, no written burial records for this burial ground before July 1900, other than the Victorian lair plan dated 1893. In those days it was called the "Manse Burial Ground". I have attached the part of this plan with the Barrie plot shown.
There was a record of internments book that has since been "lost". (It fell into someone's briefcase!!!)
A transcript was made before the dirty-deed was done, and I have a copy of that.  Here's what there is for the Barrie plot. All dates will have been dates of burial.

Lair owner - John Barrie.

2nd January 1902. Depth 4 feet. William Barrie aged 41 years. Two bottom lairs full.

12th April 1904. Depth 5 feet. Isabella Barrie or Buchan aged 34 years.

22nd December 1906. Thomas Barrie aged 48 years. Interred in front of the new stone.

4th July 1910. Depth 4 feet 6 inches. Mary Robertson Barrie aged 49 years. Interred in front of the new stone.

According to Alexander King's book "Motherwell 70 Years Ago & Now" published 1910, the occupants of a row of houses at Windmillhill, famously called Whistledry, (and he is writing of his childhood days in the 1840s and 50s) were mostly weavers and tambourers, he remembers them as -
Mrs Stevenson, John Waddell, Daniel King, James & Alexander King, the Flemings, John Barrie, Adam Galloway, and old Daniel "Forgie" Ferguson.

The parish was full of Kings in those days, all related through one and other. They were the original millers at Motherwell (or Dalziel) mill (miln in old Scots).

I'll look for a picture of Whistledry.

Lodger

Hope this helps in some way.

Lodger.

[Lodger]

Whistledry. The man on the cart is Gourley the baker.

[grandma]

Hi Lodger.

The book by Alexander King you mentioned, about Motherwell, do you know if it is possible to buy a copy? Fingers crossed.

I have a Mary King who is impossible to find. She lived in both Dalziel and Hamilton before 1841. Maybe  there`d be a clue there. I think she might be a  gr gr gr grandmother.

Mary

[EDCBA]

Hi Lodger

Thanks for the photo of "Whistledry"

I have a record of my 3xG Grandfather, Alexander McCormack, as having died at Windmillhill in 1866 and one of his sons living there when he was married in 1861.

I also have a census record of the same family living in Knowe Top. What are the relative modern locations of Windmillhill and Knowe Top?

Cheers
EDCBA