St-Joseph RC Cemetery, Moston

[coco-cool]

Hello Kath

would it be possible to see a scan of the 1891 and 1861 census where you took the information you gave me? I am asking for two reasons
In 1891, I would like to see the name of "May" or Mary Howard

and in 1861, I would like to see the entry of "Mary", cause you said "it looks as though it first was 'Henry' and  then crossed out"  I would like to study that carefully!! lol

Thank you so much!

regards

jacques

[heywood]

Hi Jacques,
thank goodness you asked me to look at 1891 again- I am trying to figure out re the scans BUT on relooking (is that a word??) at the actual - I think it's Mary and not Henry!!!! It has been transcribed as Henry and I foolishly did not scrutinise it sufficiently.
This would then fit that William died - Mary might have remarried/ cohabited with Thomas Dunn- he may then have died/ left her. All speculative I know but it would solve that little mystery.
I'll try to sort out what to do re scans.
Kath

[heywood]

Jacques,
I have sent you a couple of personal messages - only because some info I have found may not be yours/ or relevant and I don't want to digress!
Kath

[heywood]

I'm going to try to show the image - my previewhasn't shown it so I am not holding out much hope - as I said in pm I can send it be email if you want Jacques.



didn't work!!

[coco-cool]

hello Kathleen

With the reference you gave me on the possible birth of Mary Ellen Malone, I ordered the certificate!! and Bingo !! It's the right one!
She was born on the tenth of December 1851 at 39 Cotton Street in Ancoats. Her father is William Maloney and her mother: Mary Maloney, formely DUNN

I think it gives us more information on her marital status in 1881; we can presume that she is probably a widow ( to be checked out) and living with a Mr Thomas DUNN 56 years old at 96 Pearson St. in Manchester. Mary Maloney is 50 years old. So Mr Dunn is probably her brother... or a cousin More research needed here, but we know more now...

Now I can look for the marriage of William Maloney( Mullowney, Mullaney,Malone) from Ireland Cork  and Mary Dunn from Ireland Queens' County.


Thank you again everybody, and you Kathleen!

Regards

jacques

[heywood]

that's great news!
best of luck with the rest of your research
Kathleen

ps  - of course it also accounts for Mary Ellen being the niece in 1881 (to Thomas Dunn)

[coco-cool]

Hello everybody!

Just to keep you informed, I received the birth certificate of Hetty Howard, and yes!! my grandmother Mary Howard had a younger sister!  She was not sent to Canada to be adopted cause in 1901, she is living with her aunt Elizabeth Malone-Summersgil and is 14 years old.
I am now trying to find out if she married someone... it would mean that she has grand-children my age  living today....
I also received the birth certificate of Mary Ellen Malone-Howard, my grand-mother's mother; it confirms also the maiden nam of her mother: Mary Dunn.
I know now that Wiiliam Malone and Mary Dunn are my G-G grand-parents on the Malone side.
From the 1871 census, it said that William came fron Ireland, county Cork, and Mary Dunn from Ireland, county Queens. I don't know if the were married in Ireland or in Manchester..... All their children are said to be born in Manchester.  Work ahead...    In 1861, Wiiliam is 35 years old, Mary 28, and the eldest child John is 13 and Mary Ellen 9 years old. and William is a shoemaker.

I finally found the birth certificate of James Howard, my grand mother's father!!  It confirms the maiden name of his mother: Mary Ann Reynolds, born around 1802. So I know now that John Howard (warper, b. around 1801) and Mary Ann Reynolds are the parents of James Howard my g-grandfather. (b. in 1839) The oldest child of John and Mary, Josiah Howrd,  is said to be born around 1833... I am now looking for the marriage certificate of John Howard and Mary Ann Reynolds, around 1830-32 ...  work ahead again 

Thank you again very much to all you out there who are so dedicated in helping people like me find their roots in England!!

regards

jacques fortier, Province of Quebec, Canada

[heywood]

Jacques,
I am so pleased that you have got this far! I wish you good luck for the future.
Kath

[coco-cool]

Thank you Kath!
I could not have done all that without your help!
Big hugs!!
jacques