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Richard MITCHELL b1876
« on: Thursday 14 September 06 18:44 BST (UK) »
Seeking to find ANY information on Richard Frederick MITCHELL b1876 in Bermondsey (father Richard cellerman)

Married Florence Ellen Bowler b1897 Bermondsey in 1897.

Living in Cripplegate in 1901 census with son Frederick Mitchell. Unable to find on earlier census.

Thank you
JJ

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Re: Richard MITCHELL b1876
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 14 September 06 19:06 BST (UK) »
freebmd show what may be him - Dec 1875 quarter birth, St. Olave Southwark, Richard Frederick Mitchell.  (St. Olave Southwark included Bermondsey from 1870 to 1901, after which the district of St. Olave Bermondsey was created).

I think he may be listed by his middle name in 1881:

6 Melior Street, St. Olave Southwark,
RG11/555/28 page 10
Richard Mitchell, 36, Cellarman, b. Buckingham
Ellen, 36, b. Gloucestershire
Ellen, 11, b. London, Surrey, Scholar
Mary, 9, b. ", "
Frederick, 5, b. ","
John Russell, boarder, 22, b. London, Surrey, Carman


Horsleydown in 1891 there is on the index, on the same page:
Ellen Mitchell, b. abt 1845, Gloucestershire
Mary Elizabeth, b. abt 1872, Bermondsey
Richard Fred, b. abt 1876, Bermondsey

1871, RG 10/634, St. Mary Madgalene Bermondsey
1 Martin Street
Richard Mitchell, 29 Porter At A Wine Merch., Bucks Stoke Pogges
Ellen, wife, 28, Gloucestershire Cirencester
Ellen S?, dau, age obliterated by ink splodge, b. Bermondsey.

There's a possible marriage in Lambeth 1868, Richard Mitchell to Ellen Gardner (the other two on the same index reference are Peter Kreis and Amalie Schatz, who probably married each other).  Richard's birth certificate would be a good option to get first, though, in case this is the wrong marriage altogether.

Richard Mitchell d. Mar 1888 quarter, St. Olave district, aged 47 - may be him.  Liked to change his age around a bit, eh?
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Re: Richard MITCHELL b1876
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 14 September 06 19:11 BST (UK) »
Hi, Have found 1891 census RG12/369 fol 25
24 Hanover Buildings Rotherhithe
Ellen Mitchell 44 (w)  born Coates Gloucester
Mary Elizabeth 19 Machinist born Bermonsey
Richard Frederick 15 Painter born Bermonsey.

Coates is 4 miles west of Cirencester.

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Re: Richard MITCHELL b1876
« Reply #3 on: Friday 15 September 06 12:19 BST (UK) »
jorose and jennifer,

MANY thanks for this info, it has enabled me to move on somewhat!
However, I now have a Richard Mitchell b1822 from the 1851 census, who I believe was born 'on the seas' (and not 'An the Scal' as transcibed). 

Would appreciate your thoughts on whether my interpretation is correct or whether 'an the scal' is in fact a recognised term??

Further, if I am correct and he was born at sea, would this have been recorded anywhere and how might I approach tracing his family?

Thanks again for your help with this.
 
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Re: Richard MITCHELL b1876
« Reply #4 on: Friday 15 September 06 13:37 BST (UK) »
Have you found a possible marriage for the Richard b. 1822? Marriage certificate should give his father's name and occupation, which as record for things happening 'at sea' in the early 1800s can be a bit dodgy, would be a big help - if his father was, say, in the army then Richard might have been born coming back from overseas and the army registers might record him.

He may also have been christened upon return to England.

If you could get an image of the 1851 census and put it up here we can all have a squint and see what we think it says, although 'on the seas' is a fairly good guess.  What was the occupation of Richard b. 1822, incidentally?
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Re: Richard MITCHELL b1876
« Reply #5 on: Friday 15 September 06 14:01 BST (UK) »
Thanks jorose but having trouble attaching an image...dont get a browse option when I click on the 'attach a photo'...'  link in reply window. Am I doing something wrong???


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Re: Richard MITCHELL b1876
« Reply #6 on: Friday 15 September 06 15:33 BST (UK) »
Try posting a census ref and some one else could post it.

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Re: Richard MITCHELL b1876
« Reply #7 on: Friday 15 September 06 16:28 BST (UK) »
Good idea Jennifer...

1851 Census ref HO 107/ 1718

Appreciate the help!

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Re: Richard MITCHELL b1876
« Reply #8 on: Friday 15 September 06 19:07 BST (UK) »
Hello

Note: Nobody is allowed to post images on the Lookup Boards to prevent copyright infringement.

However, I'll post the details for 1851

Bells Stile (guess, hard to read), Stoke Poges, Bucks

Richard Mitchell head 29 Ag Lab b. on the sea (that's what it looks like to me)
Sarah wife 29 b. Bucks Fulmer?
Richard 6 b. Bucks Langley
George W? 2 b. Bucks Stoke Poges
Moses Baker 34 unmarried Lodger Shoemaker b. Notts Warminster?
Hannah Breabury or Beasley (or similar hard to read) 12 visitor b. Bucks Fulmer

HO107
Folio: 544

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