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« on: Saturday 09 September 06 17:57 BST (UK) »

  Hi,
  Can anyone out there help me.I am trying to find any relatives of these people.I have them on the 1881 census.

Robert Jones   48  Liverpool.Cotton porter
 Hannah Jones  41   Wife

Children are
Edward  17
Robert     9
 Joseph 6 
Jane   4      (my grandma)

Thomas Finch    75    I guess my Gr.granddad.

They are living in 
 4 court  1Ho  Cazenue    st  Liverpool

If anyone has these people in their tree please  get in touch.

Or if anyone can add to this i would really appreciate it.

  CHEERS   KIDSNANA
Thomas,Ellis,Roberts  Davies N.Wales
Jones,Miller,Fulton ,Liverpool.
Bryncroes Sarn Rhiw,Cwm Dyserth,LLannasa.

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« Reply #1 on: Saturday 09 September 06 19:17 BST (UK) »
Hi Kidsnana

I have Liverpool Jones but not these  :(

I think I have them for you in 1871
RG10/3791 folio 71 pg 3
9 Ct 1 House Ben Johnson Street, Islington, Liverpool

Robert Jones; head; mar; 40; ropemaker
Hannah do; wife; mar; 31
Thomas do; son; 9; scholar
Edward do; son; 7; scholar
John H do; son; 1
All born Liverpool

Also in the house is John Miller; brother; unm; 20; labourer; Liverpool

Why his name is Miller is a good question  ???

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« Reply #2 on: Saturday 09 September 06 19:35 BST (UK) »
FOUND THE SAME FAMILY AS SANDRA, BUT SHE POSTED QUICKER!

1871:
RG10/3791; Folio 71; Page 43
9 Crt 1H Ben Johnson St, Liverpool

Robert Jones - Head - 40 - Rope Maker - b. Liverpool
Hannah Jones - Wife - 31 - b. Liverpool
Thomas Jones - Son - 9 - Scholar - b. Liverpool
Edward Jones - Son - 7 - Scholar - b. Liverpool
John H Jones - Son - 1 - b. Liverpool
John Miller - Brother - 20 - Labourer - b. Liverpool

If this is the same family (Edward's age fits), there's a marriage on Free BMD, confirmed by Lancashire BMD:

Marriages Jun 1861
JONES    Robert       
MILLER    Hannah
Liverpool 8b 261

However, that doesn't fit very well with Thomas Finch, father-in-law, unless f-in-law is used in the old sense of "stepfather"...?  Will see if I can find a better match...  ???

Rambler
ANT: Nesbit, Potts; CHS: Gosling (Hazel Grove/Lymm), Hinton (Lymm), Johnson (Hazel Grove), Marsland (Hazel Grove), Massey (Daresbury), Sorton (Warmingham); LAN: Jackson, James, Potts (Manchester/Salford); MAY: Caulfield, Griffin (Leveelick); SAL: Goodwin, Johnson (Bridgnorth), Gregory (Wellington); STS: Goodwin, Gregory, Johnson (Wolverhampton); Hallett (Trysull); SOM: Dowding, James, Jones (Bath)

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« Reply #3 on: Saturday 09 September 06 19:48 BST (UK) »
Hi I think this is them in 1891:
RG12 Piece 2966 Folio 63 Page 14
46 Reading Street, Kirkdale, Liverpool
Robert Jones Head 60 General Labourer b. Liverpool
Ann Jones Wife 52 b. Liverpool
Joseph Jones Son Single 17 General Labourer b. Liverpool
Jane Jones Daur 15 b. Liverpool

Joanne  :)
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« Reply #4 on: Saturday 09 September 06 20:29 BST (UK) »
Hi again

I reckon that Finch is a slight red herring with regards as to whether or not he is Hannah's father.  If you take the 1871 census info from Rambler it gives a brother, John Miller aged 20 living them.  Suppose that it should have said brother in law and not brother, making Hannah a Miller before her marriage; re the marriage that Rambler also found.

If this is correct then here they are in 1861:
RG09 Piece 2668 Folio 58 Page 20
5 Court Denison Street, Liverpool.
Thomas Miller Head 45 Boatman b. Layton, Lancashire
Jane Miller Wife 50 Boatman's Wife b. Ireland
Hannah Miller Daur. Unmarried 21 b. Liverpool
John Miller Son 10 Scholar b. Liverpool

From the IGI:

Thomas Jones b. 30 Jan 1862 c. 9 Mar 1862 St. Peters, Liverpool, Lancashire
Parents= Robert Jones and Hannah
Sibling:
Edward Jones b. 24 Jan 1864 c. 14 Feb 1864 St. Peters, Liverpool, Lancashire

These may also belong to this family too:

Isabella Jones b. 10 Aug 1863 c. 18 Jul 1864 St. Peters, Liverpool, Lancashire to Robert Jones and Ann.
Robert John Jones b. 9 Dec 1862 c. 27 Jan 1863 St. Peters, Liverpool, Lancashire to Robert Jones and Ann.
Robert Bertram Jones b. 9 Oct 1862 c. 12 Feb 1863 St Peters, Liverpool, Lancashire to Robert Jones and Anna.

I'll see what else I can find for you.
Joanne  ;)



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« Reply #5 on: Saturday 09 September 06 20:41 BST (UK) »
Hi

The 1861 that Joanne has found [well done  ;)]  I have same family in 1851

HO 107/2177 folio 478 pg 17
59 ?? St, St Martin's Liverpool

Thomas Miller; head; mar; 35; mariner; Leyton with Warbrick
Jane do; wife; mar; 40; Leyton with Warbrick
Hannah do; dau; 11; Liverpool
John do; son; 7 or 1 mo; Liverpool

I'll have another go at the street name!

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« Reply #6 on: Saturday 09 September 06 20:41 BST (UK) »
Could be Hornby or Hamby Street  ???

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« Reply #7 on: Saturday 09 September 06 20:45 BST (UK) »
Miller in 1841

HO 107/562/9 folio 48 pg 17
Finney Lane, Liverpool St Thomas'

Thomas Miller; 25; mariner
Jean do; 25
Hannah do; 1 1/2

All born in county - ages of adults rounded down to nearest 5

Regards
SandraC

PS is it me, or is he at home a lot for a mariner  ;D
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« Reply #8 on: Saturday 09 September 06 20:49 BST (UK) »
IGI has:

Hannah Miller daughter of Thomas Miller & Jane
baptised St Peter's Liverpool on 28/10/1839

Also possible  :-\
Thomas Miller & Jane Fulton
marriage at St Nicholas, Liverpool on 4/2/1839

No Finch anywhere in sight  ???

Regards
SandraC
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